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Need Help: How Can I Tell if Morgan is Genuine

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 Posted 03/25/2012  6:51 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add neworchid to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Hi everyone,
I'm a newbie to coin collecting, and I've read a few articles about ways to figure out whether a morgan coin is genuine or not.

I'm familiar with the weight test, the magnet test, the sound test, and am also mostly interested in morgans with the cartwheel luster.

My question is: If the coin is within the weight range (26.73 to 26.86g) and meets the other tests, and has cartwheel luster, is that enough to tell me that the coin is genuine?

Thanks!

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 Posted 03/25/2012  8:19 pm  Show Profile Check mdpmedia's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello newo.,

I attached a couple of interesting and applicable sections found within a past CCF thread addressing counterfeits:





These were taken from:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...chTerms=seam

Although this past discussion focused on a rare 1932-D silver US quarter the same type of counterfeit seams could appear in Morgans also.

Check out the doubled rim above the RTY of LIBERTY: characteristic of cast replicas shrinking when cooling down...

fyi,

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 Posted 03/25/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a wide range of tests for detecting counterfeits. Some of the more effective ones that can be easily carried out I've posted to The Black Cabinet:

http://fakes.numismetrica.com/ident...ounterfeits/

Generally these rules will catch 90% of fakes, so you have a very good chance it's genuine at that point.

The other 10% can be caught on small details that involve subtle comparison to genuine coins and known counterfeits.

For example, there are a number of Chinese fakes out on the market now that are made of silver (usually of a lower fineness), so they will pass the silver test; however, these counterfeits can be caught by looking for casting grain on the strike, comparing die pairings, or in some cases counting reeds.

Usually your best bet is to get as many pairs of experienced eyes to take a look at it in those cases. :-)
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 Posted 03/26/2012  5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TonedMo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dont forget that posting good, quality pictures on this forum could help. That could be your most powerful weapon, besides the tests done in hand.

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 Posted 03/27/2012  02:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, neworchid!


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If the coin is within the weight range (26.73 to 26.86g) and meets the other tests, and has cartwheel luster, is that enough to tell me that the coin is genuine?


You be approaching certainty, but there are copies that have fooled the experts.

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 Posted 04/15/2012  12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add neworchid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much everyone for your feedback... I have yet to try taking better pictures like the ones I've seen here.

I do have pics of 2 coins (I'm considering buying) that I'd like to get your opinion on. Pls let me know what you think - I really appreciate your feedback!









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 Posted 04/15/2012  12:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From those pictures, it's pretty tough to tell. Do you have access to larger ones?
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 Posted 04/15/2012  09:28 am  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, your best weapon to detect Morgan counterfeits is a trained eye. As Fredd saidd, there are some pretty darn good fakes out there, ones which will pass all the standard "tests." Heck, there are Morgan counterfeits of the same silver composition as the originals. At that point, it's your own experience with looking at and handling Morgans which must take over.

Until you reach that point - and the best among us can still be deceived occasionally - your best bet is to deal only with reputable sellers. Especially in the case of the two coins you pictured here. They're both rather scarce in the grade they look to be, particularly the 1884-S which is probably a $200 coin figuring it for AU53 or so. The 1883-S is roughly a $90 coin, figuring it for about AU50.

I don't see anything about either which jumps out to call itself "fake," but both are coins I'd approach with caution.
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 Posted 04/16/2012  12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 83s reverse doesn't look quite right*, but the other isn't sending any obvious red flags.

*This can be anything from lighting, to photography, to my own lack of familiarity with that specific date.
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