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Mudd1761
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I found three die cracks and what ever the void is. does anybody know what this error is called. there are two die cracks on the reverse one starts on the rim just to the right of the right side wheat and runs in and down through the wheat. then comes out the bottom right and continues back out over the rim. The next one starts bottom right off the void and runs up and right a short distance. and one die crack on the obverse. that starts close on the right side of the t in liberty and runs down a ways. the die cracks are raise not indented for sure not scratches. I also see some doubling on the and y in liberty. the t also but that is do to the die crack. also the 8 in the date. last would be a number of letters in the in god we trust. One last note the void is from something striking someone commented they thought delamination but 1948 pennies are not laminated
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05/14/2012 6:59 pm
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 The Void looks like delamination, I thought maybe a strike through but I think I see the edges raised a bit. Just takin a stab at her to see if I am learning anything . the other things could be die gouges or scratches? I am sorry I dont see any doubling, Someone with more know how will come to your aid I am sure. 
"we are all in this together...keep your stick on the ice." Red Green.
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05/14/2012 6:12 pm
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papatony:I think you're right.
BEWARE THE FEVER
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Hmm ,
My eyes are playing tricks on me , But my rough Guess is the lamination like error as well ... With a quick Google search I found a few with similar looks ...
The cracks , I cant tell for sure .. but again to MY eye seems like maybe Die scratches Or gouges maybe caused by an earlier strike through type of thing ?..
But again just my Opinions and to my knowledge not worth much of a premium ..
Best of Luck Buddy , curious what else you may come acrossed .!!
Phil \m/
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05/14/2012 7:00 pm
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papatony and DrDon you are both wrong die cracks are something I know about and 1948 pennies are not laminated. I believe lamination started in the 1980's sometime
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Does anybody read the information posted or do you just look at the pictures the die cracks are raised not indented, raised,,raised, raised I say raised me lads
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Mudd1761, good to see you are still posting. You are confused as to what a lamination is. A lamination is a common error that occurs when the mixture of the metal when the sheet of planchet stock was made has areas in it that were not mixed completely. When the areas end up in the punched out planchet they cause a weak apot in the planchet and can cause flaking. When the flake is still attached to the coin it is called a lamination. When the flake has fallen off and is detached it is called a delamination. Wheat cents and war nickels are commonly found with this. I think what you are thinking of is the cents from mid 1982 to present and they are not laminated but are plated.
I agree your areas on the reverse are all laminations and a delamination. The raised line is where the lamination is starting to lift up. The line on the obverse looks like it could be a slight die gouge. I don't think it is a crack. You don't typically have a crack in the middle of the field not touching any devises. I have seen these lines before where they were old damage. If an old scratch is on the coin then over time it wears it can start to look like a crack or gouge. But if you look closely and there is only a raised line with no furrow beside it then I would say it's a gouge.
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05/15/2012 06:34 am
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Nice find and a thorough explanation on lamination and de-lamination. I agree that the front of the coin shows what looks like a gouge, a different picture from the top of the coin instead of at an angle may confirm that. I hope it is a gouge not a scratch. Cool find man, I have not come across any of those lamination's yet.
Happy Hunting!
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i am clearly not an expert here, but I am not sure about lamination issues starting only in the 1980's. here is a 1947, which I am pretty sure is also a limination issue.  Edited by dbrablec
05/15/2012 1:44 pm
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It's just the opposite. Lamination issues stopped on the cents with the copper plated zincolns.
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my confusion. but wouldnt it be rough under a piece that flaked off? also the die crack on the front is raised as well. Correct me if I am wrong but a die crack would show as a raised ridge. rather than a scratch or gouge? All of the cracks I mentioned are raised. The void is very smooth in the depression.The edges are not raised they might look as though they are but they are not. This looks to me like there was a piece of something in between the planchet and the die. When it it was struck it made that indentation. As for the cracks on the back one starts at the rim on right and shows as a tiny ridge that goes up through the wheat and back right out the rim. last the small crack I believe was caused by the piece of debris being hard enough to crack the die.But neither here nor there in any case is it worth anything do I have a rare something or a common error?
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But then again I am rather new to the coin world and just hard headed. I might concede co delamination the reverse but the thin ridge on the obverse is die crack and I am going to pos a couple more pics to illustrate my point
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I recommend you just open your mind up .. most the posters here have seen this or something on these lines and are only trying to help .. heres a site I think would benefit you - http://www.lincolncentresource.com/index.htmlBest of luck |
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Mudd1761, hang in there. You are asking good questions. The area under a lamination will be slightly rough with striations unless the coin circulated for a time after the lamination fell off and the roughness was smoothed out. Do a search on the forum for lamination and then delamination and look at the different examples. As far as the gouge I think you are confusing it as a gouge on the coin. A die gouge is a gouge on the die so it leaves a raised line on the coin. Die cracks occur at weak spots on the die. They remind me of a lightning bolt because they are typically not straight. Die gouges happen when something hard scraps across the die putting a scratch or gouge in it. They are usually straight and can happen anywhere on the die, not just at weak spots.
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Thank you everyone for your patients and for the clarification. The one in question on the obverse when looked at just the right angle has a small off shoot running down and towards lincolns head and when viewed at that angle looks just like a lighting bolt. How do I post a picture with my comments?
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hope this clears the subject my email from Mike Diamond on this thread WILLIAM TALLENT ✆ http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=119078 reverse, Die cra... 6:11 PM (46 minutes ago) MDia1@aol.com ✆ 6:35 PM (21 minutes ago) to me I would have to examine the coin under a microscope to arrive at a definitive conclusion. Given the evidence at hand, my best guess is that the shallow depression on the reverse is a struck-through error, while the thin ridge on the obverse is an accidental die scratch. Mike |
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