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Kiwi_Bird
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Can someone tell me what this is? I posted it in the exonumia forum and I think I stumped everyone. What does it say? Any clue as to the value, year, weight, mint, metal purity? It's obviously a Jewish coin  but have no clue about it other than that. It looks silver to me. I got this in a batch of coins I bought cheaply.
Identified at last - moved back to Exonumia forum - Sap Edited by Kiwi_Bird
10/04/2009 12:41 am
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Pillar Of The Community
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I am pretty sure that is not an Israeli coin- there is no denomination or date. Israeli coins also typically have some Arabic script, I believe that it all appears to be Hebrew. It is some type of token or medallion and probably quite easy to figure out if I could read Hebrew  |
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I read Hebrew and I can not make sense of this. Perhaps its Aramaic or some form of Yiddish.
Inside each corner of the star of David there is the Hebrew letter H indicating God.
Not very clear this one.
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Could it be some type of Qabalistic token?
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United States
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Ahh I dont remember how to read hebrew from my barmitzvah 2 years ago... Looks like an israeli coin to me, and it has the star of david aswell. Cool to see other Jewish members :P
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Pillar Of The Community
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zohar, not all the letters are H's. I know it's kind of hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure some of those are daleds with vowels.
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Pillar Of The Community
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in the middle, I believe, you have hebrew "yahweh" at the top, and "elochim" at the bottom, with two random letters, presumably signifying something, in between.
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Could it be some type of Qabalistic token? Echizento was right, way back then. On another thread where this one was also used to illustrate the discussion, Angielczyk posted the answer and I never noticed it. To quote myself from the answer I just posted in the other thread: Quote:
Sap said:
The particular lettering around the star is a mystic/occult magic symbol derived from Kabbalistic traditions, called the "second pentacle of Mars". Googling that exact phrase will come up with dozens of trinket-sellers who will sell you one, usually for an exorbitant price, mostly made of "lead-free pewter" though most of the ones on offer appear to be mass-produced copies-of-copies-of-copies with little or none of the original detail surviving. Quote:
Zohar444 said:
Inside each corner of the star of David there is the Hebrew letter H indicating God.
oblakavshtanax said:
zohar, not all the letters are H's. I know it's kind of hard to tell, but I'm pretty sure some of those are daleds with vowels. That's part of the deterioration I was talking about. They are indeed all supposed to be the Hebrew letter H, but this is a second-or-third-generation copy and some of the letters have morphed. This phenomenon probably also explains why none of our Hebrew scholars are having much luck in trying to read it. Which sort of defeats the whole purpose, if you ask me. I mean, if the thing is actually supposed to work as a magic spell or charm (most of the trinket-sellers claim it will ward off disease), surely what it actually says is important.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Specifically, these "pentacles" are derived from the Key of Solomon, a late mediaeval Kabbalistic compilation. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar Of The Community
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yes but like a lot of things in hebrew, when you are missing vowels you just have to know what's missing--ie you have to already know what it says. any kabbalist would probably be able to discern its meaning.
also, even if they are supposed to be hays in each star-point, the dots in the middle of the daleds are way to well rendered, so someone must have messed up.
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New Member
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Hi there. Heres the thing I have the same coin and I have question I hope you can help me.
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Sure. What's your question?
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
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Any knowledge you might have on this coin would be apreciated. All we know is that we found it in bulgaria and we can't find any information on it.
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Well, what we know about it has already been posted - it isn't a coin, it's an occultic/spiritualist/kabbalistic healing charm. The design of the star-side is taken from the "Keys of Solomon", a mediaeval Kabbalistic (Jewish-derived esoteric teachings) text. See here for an English version of the text, with a translation of what the inscriptions are supposed to read. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I found an exact coin just like this at an ACTS retreat in kerville texas, by the river.
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Pillar Of The Community
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Thank You again SAP that is a KEY link  The coin is a force, TFD. TrueFieldDetective . tools and instruments.c..
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