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question on a 1849 large cent

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upstate
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Posted 03/10/2010  4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add upstate to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message

I was wondering what you thought of this coin. I bought it at an auction over 20 years ago and just stashed it. A coin dealer happened to be at my house and although he liked the coin he thought it was coated or plated.What do you all think?
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Posted 03/10/2010  4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jakeW to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I am no professional by any means but if you were to ask me, in my honest opinion it does look plated to me, but again im no pro.
it's too bad common sense is not more common!
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Posted 03/10/2010  4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AMFCook to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

It does look plated. If I remember correctly, large cents were 100% copper of that time, never heard of one peeling like that. But I also don't dabble in cents either.

Something looks not right about this coin too. Can't quite place my finger on it.
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Its definitely plated. Its also next to impossible, maybe impossible that an 1849 Large cent would be Red.

The original color of the coin can be seen peeking out of the top of the reverse.

My question is why would someone take the time to plate this coin?

Interesting.
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It seems that this coin has two problems- there is corrosion forming on the upper reverse and the color is not natural. I believe that this coin has high AU details but it has been chemically dipped, stripping off the natural patina.
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upstate
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Posted 03/10/2010  5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The corrosion on the upper reverse was there when I bought it and doesn't seem to have gotten worse in the 25 years I've owned it.It was thought (by me) the reason why it went so cheaply. I believe I paid slightly under 50 bucks for it.

AMFCook, What do you mean by peeling?

Anyway I think its very nice to look at, and altered or not I glad I have it. I do wish it was original though
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Posted 03/10/2010  10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AMFCook to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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AMFCook, What do you mean by peeling?

It looks like what ever is coating the outer layer of this coin, is peeling away on the top rim of the reverse side. But I could be wrong, like I said; I don't dabble in cents. Some quarters, mostly halves and dollar coins are my favorites to collect.
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Going by the color I'd have to say this one has been chemically altered. While it's possible it has been plated it seems highly unlikely.
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I don't know if its been plated or not but it doesn't look original to me whether it be by plating or something else
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upstate
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Posted 03/15/2010  05:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you all so much for your input - steve
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Posted 03/15/2010  12:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

it will get a details grade at the TPG's
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upstate
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Posted 03/15/2010  6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I know it's somewhat self explainatory but what does that actually mean (details grade) and what is the TPG (I'm guessing the PG may be professional grading). I've been out of the loop for quite a while but I'm a quick study. Thank you steve
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TPG stands for Third Party Grader, which is an independent professional grading and authentication service that will examine your coin and place it in a plastic slab with a label stating the grade and type. For a coin without problems, the numerical grade will be listed on the slab, i.e. AU55. When a coin has a problem such as cleaning, some TPGs will list the grade as AU Details, Cleaned. PCGS will slab the coin as GENUINE, with no grade at all and a numerical code in the serial number to denote the problem.
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yes bio is right but I must clarify that when I say TPF I mean only PCGS and NGC I really dont talk about any other company. :)

now before someone gets me wrong I collect world coins and US so I bash them a lot along with CAC but IMHO we are still better of with them then without them but when they dont doa good job I often will call them out :)
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oh upstate I forgot if you are looking to sell this I would get it in a pcgs or ngc holder details grade or not you would get the best bang for your buck there but do run it by NCS before at a coin show to see if it can be fixed. I doubt it but doesnt hurt to get a free opinion
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upstate
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Posted 03/17/2010  9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Spock1k
Again thanks for the education but there you go again, what does NCS stand for? Also, I don't want to sell it. I really think it's beautiful and a great representative of the large cent in pristine condition. Although apparently not pristine naturally. Sure I would prefer it was orginal and up to a few months ago assumed it was but I'm not heartbroken that it's plated or whatever, it's still totally cool!
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