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My Frankfurt-on-the-Main 1863 Project

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Bacchus2
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 Posted 01/30/2011  03:57 am Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Hi,

I find this photograph facinating.... It was a meeting of most of the German State rulers in 1863.


My project (which won't be cheap) is to obtain a representative coin for each (all bar one at any rate) of the rulers pictured here. It's amazing to think that of the 28 rulers here only 5 did not issue coins and 4 of those are actually mayors of cities and I can get a representative coin of that city. The vast majority of these will be the 1 thaler coin. There are present....

1 Emperor
3 Kings
1 Elector
9 Princes
6 Grand Dukes
4 Dukes
4 Free City Mayors


To date I have only one, John of Saxony...




Johann
1859 1 Thaler
Ob. IOHANN V. G. G. KOENIG VON SACHESEN
Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN
Silver 0.9000
18.520g
mintage: 2,490,000
Mint: Dresden
MM: Gustav Theodor Fischer


but hopefully I'll be able to add to this over time - perhaps one every couple of months or so. I'll never get a thaler from Lichteinstein as they are very rare but I should be able to get a portrait coin for John II from the turn of the century or so.

I have a web-page set up - a corner of my Diadumenian site - and it gives a fuller picture, so to speak. I have reasonably good photographs for most of these rulers though not for Dr. Haller - Mayor of Hamburg at the time so if anyone could point me to that I'd appreciate it.

http://www.diadumenian.com/Congress...princes.html

This should keep me out of mischief for a good while :)

Malcolm

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01/30/2011 12:59 pm
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 Posted 01/30/2011  04:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like the German States' coins. If you can get your hands on a German coin book your task will be a lot easier. I have one from 2003 that I use, but I only have five coins from four areas!
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 Posted 01/30/2011  04:45 am  Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi - I do have all the Krauses - including the specialised German one and "Germany - Deutsche Munzen 800-2001 - By Weege" so I think I have that covered. While I have a good few German states coins already I always shied away from the thalers - mostly because of cost - but I think this project really deserves the outlay. I'm really looking forward to it.

Thanks
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 Posted 01/30/2011  04:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you recognize in there the king of Prussia or the king of Bavaria?
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 Posted 01/30/2011  05:03 am  Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you click on my website link they are all identified - mouse over the photo - or scroll down.

The King of Prussia was absent - on advice from Bismark - politics you know.

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01/30/2011 05:07 am
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 Posted 01/30/2011  05:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is SOME project you have assigned yourself with.

I guess that it may help to establish contact with German coin auctioneers and dealers.

Also are you on the

worldofcoins.eu Forum?

I am only a lurker on this Forum, but it does engage my interest.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your project is wonderful.I search my collection and find a thaler from Ludwig III King of Hessen.The king is the second from the right

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 Posted 01/30/2011  12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and reverse.
The coins in your project you can find them easily and without spending big money on eBay.But you have to compromise with low grades.
If you want ms grades then it;s a difficult task

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 Posted 01/30/2011  12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and that's Friedrich Grosherzog Von Baden the fifth from the right




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01/30/2011 1:09 pm
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 Posted 01/30/2011  12:59 pm  Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Yes the tall guy second from right is Ludwig III (Louis for the anglised version) . I have them all identified on my webpage - I had some help from a couple of German friends for that. That's a nice coin you have too - the portrait is quite a good representation (there's a better photo on my page) while some are nothing like their real life picture.

I think I should be able to get some of the more common ones for about £60 or so while the less common ones will be about £100 - that's in reasonably good condition - but not mint. I assume when you say MS you mean the slabbing companies? - I won't be bothering with those as I don't really like slabbed coins. It's possibly beneficial for absolutely mint state coins but for anything less than that it's just a company making money by turning coins into commodities. I mostly collect ancients anyway where slabbing is pretty meaningless.

Thanks for sharing your lovely coin.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS is a grade for uncirculated and not a slab.Slabs help when you buy coins sight unseen.But of course is meaningless for coin in low grades as the one I post here.Coins are commodities because we pay money to acquire them.We don't get them for free.
This coin is not in my possession any more.I sell it for 50 euro before six months.Anyway your project is marvelous and I will keep an eye on your page.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a fun and ambitious project!
And the photograph is fascinating indeed, too bad Wilhelm I wasn't there.
Good luck with the project! And make sure you show us the finished outcome!
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 Posted 01/31/2011  07:39 am  Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Thanks - yes I'm looking forward to hunting them down - but it will take a few years - or more - depends on the wallet :).

The photograph must have been one of the first ever of a gathering of rulers (photography was only really up and running for a decade or so).

I hope you like my webpage - I'll fill it in as I get them.

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 Posted 01/31/2011  5:53 pm  Show Profile Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting project, keep us posted as you progress in acquiring more coins. German Thalers have always been one of my favorite coin types. Sadly I sold all of mine to help cover the cost of my resent move.
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 Posted 02/02/2011  08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
And the photograph is fascinating indeed, too bad Wilhelm I wasn't there.

Of course he would not come. After all, it was the Austrian emperor who had invited the heads of state to Frankfurt. And Prussia was not interested in any agreement that might have been in the way of the Prussian hegemony plans ...

Christian
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02/02/2011 08:20 am
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 Posted 02/02/2011  1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is Franz Jozef on this photograph? Must be, because ...

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There are present....

1 Emperor ...

Bacchus, could you ID each gentleman on the pic, please?
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