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Caligula Real or Fake?

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 Posted 10/05/2011  01:03 am Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I found this coin for sale, but I think it is probably fake. Anyone care to opine?





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 Posted 10/05/2011  01:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a fake to me. I hope you didn't pay too much.
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 Posted 10/05/2011  02:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah...that just doesn't look Roman, does it?
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 Posted 10/05/2011  03:46 am  Show Profile Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks similar to the ones listed on Forvm fakes. Fake.
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 Posted 10/05/2011  06:28 am  Show Profile Check bobbyhelmet's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I Agree - not original.

Distressed fake.

While on the subject of fakes I found this pretty good article recently. Its long (and with a lot of spelling mistakes) but its very good and has an excellent section on the style of forgery's - its well worth a look:

http://www.calgarycoin.com/referenc...iveaways.htm

PS - I got 9 out of 9 in the test section
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10/05/2011 06:29 am
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 Posted 10/05/2011  08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't buy it. As Bobbyhelmet and others know, I'm sorely in the market for a Caligula denarius. When I saw this, I was tempted until I took a closer look. My emotions tried to get the better of me, but I was able to control myself. I think the auction ends today around two hours from now. Thanks to everyone helping me keep from doing something stupid.

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 Posted 11/21/2011  12:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
http://www.calgarycoin.com/referenc...iveaways.htm
PS - I got 9 out of 9 in the test section
That's a good article, especially the section describing stylistic conventions between ancient and modern artists.
I got 9/9 too...I thought the fakes were rather obvious?
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 Posted 11/21/2011  12:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the most important defences is that one gets a 'gut feeling' that a coin just ain't right.
Usually, when that happens experience tells you so. With just pictures to go on, it comes down to style.

Judging an ancient coin on stylistic grounds is probably the most important defensive weapon against fakes. For this weapon to be most effective experience is essential.

Most usually but not always, a combination of similar opinions is effective in the detection of fakes.

I have not mentioned a range of other diagnostic tools, but opinions on style, when it comes to ancients, are important.

Nobody has mentioned stylistic grounds for identifying this coin as a fake. Nevertheless that is exactly what has happened.

The antiquarians and scholars of old, relied more on style than any other factor on which to base their opinions.

I agree with the opinions that were expressed before mine. I think it is a fake.
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 Posted 11/21/2011  12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add magicalmke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake. Style doesn't feel right and the softness/wear doesn't feel right either.
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 Posted 03/14/2012  10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joe Geranio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look odd? It looks like it has good weight though?
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 Posted 03/14/2012  10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can someone please give me an opinion on this coin:

Reverse


Obverse:


... hmmmm? ... I just have a feeling that the obverse isn't quite right?
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 Posted 03/15/2012  12:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one looks genuine to me.
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 Posted 03/15/2012  01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ValiantKnight to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same. Nothing wrong with it to me.
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 Posted 03/15/2012  11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oxos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd buy it. Good detail on the obverse. :)
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 Posted 03/16/2012  1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cajunlady0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coloring on the obverse.

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