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...struck from copper or brass, weight is a little shy, but the diameter & details are spot on ... ...made in England to attack the Spanish, as well as our Colonial economy?... ...any thoughts are appreciated ...     Edited by mrwiskers
09/06/2025 1:46 pm
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Giving this a bump to get some eyes on it.  |
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Thank you mrwiskers and jbuck ! This is actually my coin, thank you mrwiskers for posting it here for me. I just joined the site today and it seems quite informative and fun! I am wondering if this 2 Reales example could possibly be a die trial rather than a contemporary counterfeit. Most counterfeits I come across are distinguished by incorrect details, letter font and size and inconsistencies in the main devices compared to the originals. This however is spot on to an original and obviously not cast. I understand the counterfeiters of the day were very talented in their nefarious trade, but this seems a step above.
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 to the Community, Colonial_Ant!
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@ Colonial_ Ant ... Hey, man...you've joined a pretty good site for info & help ... ...I'm no expert, but, I agree that the details are spot-on on your coin. It seems to have been made with a roller-press mill ( not a cast-from-a-mold fake). Who, in that time would have access to coinage machinery, but a government? ...So, one possibility would be that an enemy of Spain (England?) would sponsor these counterfeits, & possibly have them made by an allied country who duplicated the dies & utilized roller-mills for their coinage. ...Thus, circulating them to #1: undermine the Spanish economy, & #2: undermine the world's acceptance of Spanish silver coinage. 1760 is definitely within the "Seven Years War" period, with France's Louis XIV wanting to bring his Bourbon cousin Charles III of Spain into the mix against England. ... ...Also, is there silver plating residue on some letter tips, cross side? ...hard to tell if that's just lighting ... ? ...& your coin could well be a "test run", if such was done in that period ... perhaps someone knowledgeable in this area will chime in ...  Edited by mrwiskers
09/19/2025 2:15 pm
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Thank you mrwiskers! the spots you mentioned on the coin are glare caused by unfiltered light when taking the photos. I have gone as far as to inspect it under my microscope and there is absolutely no evidence of silver or previous plating. The more I dive into this piece, the more intriguing it is to me. I am curious if I were to send it off to NGC if it would be returned to me in a body bag or if someone there would actually have more knowledge and be able to identify and encapsulate it. Thoughts?
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@colonial_Ant ... I think PCGS would be a gamble, as I've seen way to many mistakes on their attributions of Spanish colonial cobs & coins. ...that being said, the only guy I know who may help is Dan Sedwick in Winter Park Florida ... you could contact him via his web site (sedwickcoins.com) & ask if he has any knowledge on this subject. I've delt with Dan for years, & he's very knowledgeable on Spanish colonial coinage. ...If you get a any help, be sure & post it here ...  Edited by mrwiskers
09/24/2025 1:09 pm
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I had sent pictures a while back to Dan. He basically said very similar to you in that it could possibly be an English evasion but was not certain. He did say that he has not seen one before which obviously intrigued me even more. I may start finding and reaching out to some scholars or experts in mainland Spain. This may be something quite special and rare.
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I had forgotten you'd mentioned Dan before ... this is very intriguing ... good idea to find someone on the Spanish mainland ...please post any info you may receive ... |
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https://www.treasurenet.com/threads...pper.712972/...I found the above (link) on a treasure hunting website, reference to counterfeit "Sheffield Plate" coins, accurate replicas of Spanish coins, made in Birmingham, England ... copper cores with silver plating ... ...could yours be an example that was never plated?... ...an older post on here from "Swamperbob" about the subject...(I've attempted to contact Swamperbob, with no response, unsure if he is still on this site ... you should check out his posts on counterfeit Spanish currency...) https://www.coincommunity.com/artic...nterfeit.asp
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09/29/2025 09:43 am
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