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Nice! Where about in Germany do you expect to end up?


We honestly haven't thought that far in advance. My wife's mother was born in Bavaria, so that's a possibility, I suppose, but there's no particular area we're interested in yet.
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Worth while, when you are travelling to get a representative set of the currently circulating coins of every country visit. These can be taken from circulation.
However, don't expect to build such a collection with the idea if it having any significant numismatic value.


To me they have value and that's what matters to me. They're the only 'souvenirs' I take from a country I visited. Anyway, any general 'numismatic value' depends on what you take home and who you ask, right?


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If you after current World circulating coins, it would be much easier to search the lowest price junk boxes at your local coin dealer. That way, you can find coins that you may be intested in without having to do any travelling at all.


That's sort of beyond the point of traveling and taking home a souvenir, isn't it? It certainly won't cut down my work travels if I tell my boss that I got a number of coins from a certain country anyway via a junk bin. He won't say 'oh, that's ok, then forget doing a project there and stay here instead.'


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So far as coins shops are concerned, they are much easier to find in those countries that support a healthy a large numismatic population. Those countries are most obvious to identify, simply by looking through the CCF member list.


Simply not true. This forum is in English. I already wrote that a lot of Germans don't speak that language (and the same goes for a lot of other European countries where the local language and for example Russian is spoken). I visited 4 coin shops and a precious metal dealer yesterday: in one shop one attendant spoke perfect broken English and the rest I had to do in German. Those people will not be found on this forum and as such, so that will make Germany look like a country without any numismatic interest or activity.
This forum has grown to be mainly for Americans and Canadians, people with an interest in coins from those countries, and for a few Australians and Brits, as they also have their own sub fora. The 'world coins' forum is mainly filled with 'I have this coin from Indian Princely States, please identify' (I mean, of course you don't post such requests in the 'Coin Identification' forum). Anyway, as I do also have a nice collection of 'Murican coins, that's all fine with me, but you shouldn't consider it cheating if you also find me on other fora with a different focus and perhaps even communicating in a different language.


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The situation for those interested in numismatics in those countries where the true collectors are few, is for them to seek those coins they are interested in on the international market.


I've seen enough of the world to know that a lot of people in a lot of countries need every coin they own to get food. Saving money is usually already a big challenge. Collecting coins from circulation for the point of collecting is way out of reach, let alone use money to buy money with the intention of not spending it. Such things simply don't come to mind for a lot of people.

The only person I met in a poor country who had any numismatic interest was in fact in Iran. A baker shop attendant spoke a bit of English and made clear that he was interested in collecting coins. Foreign coins can't be obtained in Iran, only foreign banknotes for trade (euro notes are preferred). This is mainly due to the worldwide banking ban on Iran that has been in place now for over 35 years. I gave him some small change in Euro and Kroner (just over one euro worth in value) and probably made a friend for life. I got some wonderful super fresh cookies with fig filling in return: just out of the oven and still hot. So he found a way to get a coin collection. A collection which hasn't much numismatic value, probably, according to most standards, but means a lot to him. Or maybe it can be considered one of the most interesting collections in the world, due to the fact that foreign coins are generally not available in Iran.


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We honestly haven't thought that far in advance. My wife's mother was born in Bavaria, so that's a possibility, I suppose, but there's no particular area we're interested in yet.


Bavaria is one of the most beautiful pieces of Germany, according to my not so humble opinion. Anyway, better learn some German and just let us know when things get more serious. I'm pretty sure we have enough knowledge here to help you get a smooth numismatic landing in Germany.
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Update on Germany!

I've been doing some (or actually, a lot) of coin shopping yesterday and I saw that I forgot to mention a few thins in my previous post.

One of the words you also should be looking for is Leihhaus, which means pawnshop. I sometimes visit a pawn shop to buy stuff which is next to U-bahn station Wittenbergplatz in the Bayreuther Strasse. They have very fair prices for bullion. Picked up a koala and a Kookaburra there for very decent prices. They're part of a chain and have outlets in several cities and an on line shop.

In addition, the shop in the Goethestraße in Berlin seems finished. It wasn't there yesterday.

This time I visited some shop that I hadn't visited before, as it was a long way out of the center, near U-Bahn Seestrasse. The man and his shop look like they come out of a Harry Potter movie. Fully chaotic, coins and additionals just laying around and nothing really priced. He has an impressive collection of Notgeld (even very rare money printed on leather) and a lot of old German silver in uncirculated quality. What just lays around goes for bargain prices, what sits in albums and collections goes for premium prices.

Most shops in the center, however, do hold all their wares behind bars and bullet proof glass nowadays, so you really have to ask in your best German if they have anything: it's quite uncommon now to have things laying around.

Also, bring cash, as cards, especially foreign ones, are not widely accepted.
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Due to UltraRant, this is the most informative thread on World numismatic travelling opportunities that I have ever come across.

It is worth printing his comments in this thread, in a good numismatic magazine.
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Nice job Rant!
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Thanks all!

Now for a new country. Let's just take another relatively dark horse:

Lithuania

Just like most countries in Europe, Lithuania has a moved past. Once one of the freat powers of Europe (around 1420), up to completely ceasing to exist: Lithuania was part of the Soviet Union from 1944 to 1991. But then it came back as an independent country in the Baltic region, where its less then 3 million citizens proudly reside today.

From a nomismatic point of view, Lithuania has issued a lot of coins: for example as grand duchy, together in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and, after independence in 1991, it got the Litas as currency before joining the Euro zone in 2015. During the Litas period, a lot of commemorative coins (also gold an silver) have been issued. These are still well available at usually reasonable prices. Most are 'conversation pieces', too, as mintage numbers are usually very limited.


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Lithuania is a country where, of course, Lithuanian is spoken. In addition, there's still a Soviet leftover, resulting in a large Russian population. Most Lithuanians still speak Russian. English is not widely spoken or understood: it's up and coming, but wait at least one more generation before things are really in place. Hands and feet will get you anywhere. An advantage is that regular Roman characters are used (not Cyrillic), so all can be read instantly by English speaking people.

Unlike German, Lithuanian isn't a language I am very familiar with. I have made my tiny little word list, though, that helped me getting some things done.

Like almost anywhere in Eastern Europe, numizmatika is the word for numismatics. Moneta means coin, plural monetos. When looking into bullion, sidabras means silver and auksas means gold. Finally, lombardas means pawn shop.

Also interesting to know: aukso brinai (gold bars), sidabro brinai (silver bars), monetu rinkiniai (coin sets) and apyvartiniu monetu (circulation coins).

Please be aware that, if you search for Sidabrin#279; (adjective use of silver), you may end up with information about Sidabrin#279;s, a tiny village in the east of the country that has absolutely nothing to do with coins or coin collecting.


What to expect
Lithuania has quite a bit of numismatic activity. However, prices are surprisingly high, especially given the average salary in the country.
The focus of most coin shops will be on Lithuanian coins and bullion (silver and gold), in bars and coins. Also quite some foreign (mainly Russian) coins can be found here.

Furthermore, you can just try to get things at banks, especially modern coins. It might help if you speak Lithuanian or Russian.

So, now for the individual cities: Lithuania has mainly three large (and somehow touristic) areas. I haven't been outside of those.

Cities

Vilnius
Vilnius is the capital city and by far the largest city. Even if you don't feel numismatic cravings, I can recommend to visit the city. It's small enough to see in a few days but is quite authentic and largely undiscovered by tourists.

There is a museum with a small numismatic collection, mostly historical 'local' pieces. More information can be found here: http://www.muziejus.vu.lt/en/collec.../numismatics

I remember a few coin shops in town. The first being mainly a bullion dealer with a few medals and coins. It's found at Gedimino Prospektas. A regular coin shop is found at Pylimo Gatve.

There might be more, but it's unknown to me.

Kaunas
Kaunas is the second city of Lithuania. It's probably best known for its low cost airport hub and the subsequent bus ride (one hour) to Vilnius. The city center mainly has one long boulevard and a tiny historic center. I haven't visited a dedicated coin shop, but there should be one at Karo Ligonines Gatve. In addition, I remember that a shop in the town hall has a small collection of coins and stamps for sale.

Palanga / Klaipeda
The wonderful coast line in the west of the country is largely undiscovered by mass tourism. A shame really. On the other hand, it leaves the pristine white sandy beaches all for yourself. This region has two places of interest. port town Klaipeda is the larger harbor town, while village Palanga has the beach and party life.

Apart from what you can find (I'm not guaranteeing any authenticity) in the touristic souvenir shops along the boulevard in Palanga (and trust me, there's lots of weird stuff out there), there should be a bullion dealer in Klaipeda, at Sermuksniu Gatve and a coin shop in Minijos Gatve.


Internet

Some internet resources you may check:

- https://www.lb.lt (the bank of Lithuania, also with a shop)
- http://www.alio.lt is a local variant on ebay and has coins
- http://www.pirkis.lt/ is also a variant and has a numismatic section.
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These write ups are incredibly interesting! I love the view into numismatics around the world.
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See also my previous thread regarding Vilnius, Lithuania.

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In case anyone else here is interested, it's at the third floor of the mall at Gediminas 9 (coincidentally almost across the street from the Money Museum).
It's not technically a coin shop of course; it also sells stamps, medals, and I think some other similar stuff. But for me, it's close enough.
(that was in August 2012 though - might have easily changed since then)
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Time for a new addition to this thread, and I promise this one will be the most disappointing one yet!


Tajikistan

Tajikistan is a landlocked country in Central Asia, squeezed in between Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and China. Its capital is Dushanbe.

Despite having a fascinating history, which includes a lot of ancient silk road trading, Persian empire culture and Soviet era occupation, Tajikistan wasn't a country until 1991, after having been created as an autonomous region of Uzbekistan in 1924. This was upgraded to full Soviet Republic five years later and the borders were bent in their current shape in a twisted attempt by Stalin to create some geopolitical tension in the region. Just look at a map to see what I mean.

The newborn country made an 'excellent' start with a decade long lasting devastating civil war, making the country still to be one of the poorest of the planet. As a result, the newborn country didn't introduce its own currency before the year 2001 and rather used the Russian/Soviet Ruble in the meantime.

The new currency was the Somoni, divided into 100 Diram. Despite being a new currency and lots of coins and different coins being made for small denominations, coins never really took off here. During my visit I didn't get hold of most of the coins that should be circulating. There should be coins of 1, 3 and 5 Somoni, but I haven't seen any of these in use: I do have a bundle of paper ones, though. For the Diram coins, I saw all prices rounded to 10 Diram and the only coins I got hold of are the variants of the 10 and 20 Diram. Even if you should get 70 Diram in change, you either won't get sufficient change, or 4 coins (3x20 and 1x10). In other words, of all the 42 different coins (including commemorative ones) that Tajikistan has issued, I managed to get hold of 4 out of circulation.

A lot of circulation coins of Tajikistan are minted in St. Petersburg, Russia. In addition to circulation coins, you should be able to get hold of some commemorative silver coins, although you should be really good at searching, as none of the commemorative coins have a mintage of over 5000 pieces. I haven't been able to get hold of any coins in the local banks, but that might also have to do with my lack of understanding of the local language and my lack of command of Russian, which is a prerequisite to success in the former USSR. Actually, in hindsight, I'd rather trade my knowledge of Ancient Greek and Latin for some decent Russian and Spanish. Oh well, better luck next life...

So... how about gold then? Tajikistan is rumored to have at least 10 kg (22 lb) of it, which should be used in the crown of the larger-than-life statue called Monument of Amir Ismail Samani, which can be found near Rudaki Avenue, near the palace and the National Library.

For those interested to visit the country: a lot of people from Western countries can nowadays apply for an online visa or get one on arrival, if you bring with you some dollars, a copy of your passport and some European size passport photos. You can then stay for 30 days and extend your visa once. Be prepared for some chaos and slow lines at the visa office and be prepared to use your elbows to reach the immigration desks, but once you're through, you're free to go wherever you want, except from the 50% of the country located in the east, called Gorno-Badakhshan Autonomous Region, which requires an additional special travel permit.

Now, is all bad, then, from a numismatic point of view? Basically, yes. But here's a few suggestions of places which may or may not have any coins for sale.


Dushanbe (Stalinabad)

Dushanbe is the capital of the nation and houses almost 10% of the citizens of he nation. Most of what's to be seen is gathered around Rudaki Park and Rudaki Avenue. I have to say, it's quite nice, though. Big, green avenues, Soviet architecture and a generally relaxed atmosphere. Oh, and lots of good food, good beer and bargain cheap prices for locally produced stuff. Expect to get a souvenir t-shirt for just over $1, a tailor made suit for well under $100, a three course meal with a local beer for well under $10 and expect your hotel to be less than $40 a night. Unless you wish to stay at an international chain, of course.

There are a few souvenir shops along Rudaki Avenue, mainly near the Opera and the Library, which can be recognized by using Latin characters instead of Cyrillic. There's a big chance that you'll find someone there who speaks English and has some souvenir coin sets for sale. beware, though, that prices are heavily inflated. One special mention for the communist souvenir shop, hidden just southeast of the Opera, which has Soviet era rubles for sale.


Khudzand (Leninabad)

Khudzand is the second city of Tajikistan and is located in the Fergana Valley and used to be a stop on the old Silk Road.

Apart from having a lot of nice old architecture, culture and history, there is a tiny chance that you can find anything of numismatic interest in the shops at or near the museums. Also, check the bazaars near the Second World War Memorial (Shark Street, if I translate correctly), as these may or may not have interesting things.


And furthermore...

I already mentioned that Tajikistan issued a dozen or so silver commemorative coins. All of these coins have a weight of a troy ounce. However, it's .925 silver... Also, almost all of these coins are colorized coins.

All in all, despite that there's only modern coinage, collecting a complete type set of Tajiki coins may prove to be a huge challenge. I'll just stick to what I got hold of and won't even give it a try.
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I see that it's already been a while since the last post. So time for a new one!


Republic of China

Not to be confused with the People's Republic of China. I'm talking Taiwan here. I'll refer to the latter for the rest of this article to avoid confusion and to mainland China when I mean the People's Republic.


General Information

Taiwan is the last leftover of what happened to the republic of China, founded in 1911 and governed by the Nationalist Party, before being put in exile on the islands a few decades later. The country is very easily accessible, has lots to see and do and is also very, very crowded. And very, very safe and well-organized. Oh, and cheap: you get a lot of value for money. The capital is Taipei, which you may remember from the Taipei 101, once the highest building in the world and the first building in its class, the ultra high skyscrapers. Due to an ever ongoing conflict between the two Chinas, Taiwan isn't officially recognized as a country by a lot of other countries and is therefore not a member of the UN.


Taiwan Dollar

The republic has been issuing coins since 1911 and has used this year as 'year zero' in the current coinaige. If you get change, you may get a coin issued in for example the year 104, which is 2015 in our calendar. The currency used is the Taiwan Dollar, also referred to as Yuan (like in mainland China) and usually abbreviated with either $ or TW$. There are about 30 Taiwan dollar in a US dollar.

Taiwan has issued a lot of coins. Currently the TW$ comes in denominations of 1, 5, 10, 20 and 50, where I have to say that the 20 is not used in everyday life (probably because it was introduced much later than the rest and people simply aren't used to it). Coins of 1/2 dollar are no longer in circulation.

In addition, a lot of commemorative coins for circulation and a lot of commemorative silver (and a few gold) coins have been released.


Coin collecting and numismatics

Coin collecting is actually a hobby here. Taiwan has dedicated coin shops and a small numismatic community.


Coin shops

Let's have a look at the places where we can give in to any numismatic cravings.


Taipei

Taipei has at least three coin shops. They can be found right next to each other in Futai Street (apparently this is a historical name, as Google indicates it as Yanping Road). They do not only sell coins, but also grade them and do assessment on collections. Futai street is just south of the Northern City Gate and about 5 minutes walking distance from Taipei Main Station. The coin shops are very close to the old city gate.

These coin shops have just one disadvantage: no one speaks English. This is quite common in Taiwan: only the young generation (20 years and younger, I think) masters this language at some level. Everyone older doesn't, unless required for job purposes (and then usually just at a basic level).

This doesn't stop me from entering and trying to figure out what they have to offer. It seems that they all offer the same kind of coins: a lot of commemorative coins from mainland China, a lot of old / ancient Chinese coins (including spade money, for example), a few oddities like American or Canadian coins and usually a small section of Taiwan circulation coins and commemoratives. This is probably the best place to shop for uncirculated circulation coins.

Prices are remarkably high compared to the rest of the country, meaning that this is really an elite hobby here.

If you want to get an impression of how things are: I managed to get the web address of one of the shops: http://daquan-coin.com.tw/ The website is in Chinese only.


Outside Taipei

I assume that there's a few shops outside Taipei and mainly in the biggest cities like Kaohsiung, Taichung, Tainan, etc. I haven't visited all of those so I can't say for sure. I do know that your chances of finding anything in the 'small' towns and outlying islands (like Kinmen and Penghu), your chances are about zero. I've been to a few and haven't found anything, despite these islands being quite 'touristic'. I think the main difference is that the kind of tourists it usually attracts consists of Taiwanese families, not of foreigners or 'rich' business people: so not exactly the crowd that collects coins.


Other places for coin shopping

And now for the remarkable twist of this post. The best place to get hold of (Taiwanese) coins isn't in coin shops, but in souvenir shops. For example, directly under Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall, you'll find a few souvenir shops. They are well-stocked on coins and stamps. In fact, they have a much better choice than the coin shops, as they also have all the commemorative silver and gold coins in stock.

The main disadvantage, though, is that they also are quite expensive: it's profitable to look around, as prices between the shops vary, but generally it's not cheap. Especially the commemorative coins won't come cheap. You can buy a complete type set here, nicely packed in a Dansco-like album, for about 5000 TWD. This album contains many more coins than you'll find on Numista. Unfortunately, I didn't have that much money on hand there and then, so I had to settle for a smaller touristic set (800 TWD). Coins are delivered in a small coin book and are packed in 2x2's. You'll get some stamps as well in the package.

For what I understood and found out, a lot of souvenir shops at touristic hot spots do have these sets for sale: not just in Taipei but also outside. Also mainland Chinese coins can be found here, and paper money (bank notes, etc). And lots of stamps (but we're into numismatics here, not philately).

Conclusion

Taiwan has a numismatic community, but coin collecting seems to be quite an elite hobby here. Your best shot is not necessarily in coin shops, but in souvenir shops. You can best come here for coins from both the People's Republic and the Republic of China.
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I'm Lithuanian, living there, I'm in numismatic about 20 years,so ask me about, I'll try to answer about Lithuania more.
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Shop „at the third floor of the mall at Gediminas 9 (coincidentally almost across the street from the Money Museum)" closed, unfortunately.
But the new flea market near Karolina center (Sausio 13-osios st. 2) opened. Working on Saturdays 8.00-12.00. It's near the Vilnius TV tower.
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@giedrius: Thanks for the information! This is very useful. I'll check it the next time I'll be in Vilnius. I don't have a trip planned yet, but sometimes things change rapidly.

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