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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have to believe trying to take everyone's gold would be similar to trying to get everyone to hand over there firearms. Never going to happen.FDR did it once and don't see how Americans would ever fall for that again.
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Moderator
 United States
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You can either stack gold and suffer with fiat currency, or you can have gold backed currency without being able to stack any gold. You cannot have both. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Gold would have to be closer to $20k/ozt to back the world's money supply, and that is assuming all the gold in the world was confiscated to do it. The number that has been floated for that is $24k.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: You can either stack gold and suffer with fiat currency, or you can have gold backed currency without being able to stack any gold. I think we all know where fiat currency is headed. History always repeats. Once we have gold backed currency, we won't need to stack. That is, if you trust the government. Gold backing only works if you can exchange those gold back notes or digits on a computer for actual gold you can hold. We are living in historic times.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: if a gold confiscation event emerges, how many of you are going to willingly give up your holdings? I don't see them going door to door to get peoples gold. What would be easier for them is to grab the metal backing ETF's and other paper holdings. Silver has just been made a strategic metal. That is now up for grabs like gold.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: The number that has been floated for that is $24k. I did a napkin calculation, so I will concede that is more accurate and definitely higher than what would allow a return to the gold standard.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Man alive, I just noticed that gold is almost at $3600!
On one hand, I'm thrilled that all that gold I bought at $1700-2000 is worth a lot more now, but I'm also sad that I can no longer justify buying the yearly 1-ounce special gold liberty coins from the U.S. Mint. I really like the sunflower design of this year's liberty gold coin, but there's simply now way I was going to shell out over $4000 for it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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barryg, look to silver for a much better return. It is way under valued compared to gold right now. Historically the ratio between silver and gold was 16:1. Currently the ratio out of the ground is 7:1 according to Majestic Silver Corp.. Current spot ratio is almost 87:1. Silver will explode upward when the paper manipulators on COMEX lose the battle.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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jbuck, they can revalue gold over night and wipe out most of the debt. Remember the value is based on a falling fiat dollar, the number of ounces stays the same. So the higher gold goes, it shows you just how much less the Federal Reserve Dollar is worth.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Can someone explain how the US could suddenly assign a value to gold that is largely different from what the international markets say it is worth?
How does this look? US says USD is now backed by the 8000 tons in Ft Knox. Some calculations are that gold would then be priced at let's say $20,000/ oz. Then new USD is only printed at the rate of new gold acquired and or rise in gold prices. Is that any way to run an economy?
There are no gold backed economies/currencies because it doesn't work. If Japan had a gold backed currency, how would they have handled the 300 billion (USD) economic loss from the Honshu earthquake?
This money printing problem is pretty much worldwide, not just the US. Seems to happen wherever there are humans.
How does the US economy, on a gold standard, compete with everyone else with a flexible monetary policy?
Getting back to the US unilaterally trying to set the price of gold at $20,000. The only way this seems possible is for the US to reopen the gold window that it closed in 1971. So the US, starting next week will defend gold at $20,000 an ounce. The US will buy all gold offered and sell gold to all buyers at $20k/oz. What happens? I think everybody and their uncle sells. All gold producers sell as many forward contracts at $20k as they can. Their cost of production was ~$1500/oz, now they get $20k! I think just about everybody sells. Where does Uncle Sam get the dollars to pay everybody?
This is why I can't imagine any reset in gold price. No one can open and defend a gold window.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: This is why I can't imagine any reset in gold price. No one can open and defend a gold window. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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glenmorenee, it won't be just the U.S.. The U.S. is the reason gold and silver have been held down. The rest of the world is preparing to go around COMEX and the LME and create their own exchanges. A global currency reset is coming. BRICS is changing everything and will trigger it.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Why would the US suppress gold prices? To make it cheaper for everybody else to accumulate their hoard? To depress the value of our own hoard and make the fiat imbalance appear even worse?
Nothing is even close to dethroning USD. Not gold, not bitcoin and certainly not a ragtag bunch of marginal currencies from mostly commie countries that have little to no transparency.
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Moderator
 United States
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The probability of a reset—whether domestic or global—is higher than zero.
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Valued Member
 United States
273 Posts |
If anyone cares to sketch out the broad outlines of what a reset might look like, you'll realize that the odds of a reset would be very small because it would be impossible to implement and more importantly it would not solve anything. How would a reset fix this?  Yes, there will be other bailouts. They will all pretty much look the same. Extend maturities, some haircuts, more loans, some write offs and a good slug of austerity.
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