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Metalman
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 Posted 12/19/2007  1:04 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Does it bother you when you have a reasonable bid for the coin placed on an eBay auction ,,and get out bid by a newbie who when you check His 6 feedbacks and look at what He has bought ,,they have all been bought for more money than they are worth ?

This guy paid 33+ dollars for 10 G-4 common date indianhead cents !

9.99 for three common date g to vg buffalo nickels !

all of the ones I can still view the items on are similar to these !

If I bid again on the coin it puts it into stupid money for the coin .

Im irritated !

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 Posted 12/19/2007  1:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jcook54 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only have a 19 on eBay and sometimes do pay what I know is too much for a certain coin. As far as I am concerned, if I want to pay it, what the heck? Sometime I can't find it at the local shop (I always try there first) and go to eBay to get what I want or need. If I have to pay a premium for it and am willing to do so, it's my money. What I really can't stand is when newbies buy items that are misrepresented as somehow "special" when really it is just something run-or the mill.
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 Posted 12/19/2007  1:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just don't understand anyone paying over book value on a coin sight-unseen, unless it's a key in high demand. You may have "won" the auction, but you've lost the deal. Perhaps nobody else wants the coins I buy, but I generally pay 1/2 of apparent BV on auctions.
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 Posted 12/19/2007  2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love em when they pay us too much for a coin and hate them when they out bid us. sounds like a Catch 22 to me.
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 Posted 12/19/2007  2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbakic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Metalman:

As a coin collecting "newbie" and relatively new (according to feedback #) eBayer, I would like to say that I personally try not to pay too much for coins on eBay. I generally bid 75% of BV as my max and stop there. I hope to learn a lot from this forum and the people like you in it, so that I can be a better educated buyer both online and at coin shows, etc. I have also experience some paying way more than book for a coini on eBay I know is not worth the bid price. I write that off to fate and assume a better deal will come along for me eventually.

I want to let everyone know I appreciate your willingness to share knowledge with us "newbies" and "Thank you".

Merry Christmas everyone!
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 Posted 12/19/2007  2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't really have a problem with them bidding more than I do, that just means the coin in question means more to them than it means to me or I make more educated bids than the other guy does, either way I could care less. That is one reason I use a sniping program though, my bid doesn't get placed till the last few seconds so no one can keep bidding until they just barely beat my bid but I still don't win each and every auction because sometimes you have the uneducated buyer that has already placed a bid higher than the maximum I am willing to pay and for those coins I just go look for another one and don't even think about placing another bid on any coin because that puts me in the uneducated bidding war category and thats a place I don't feel comfortable being in
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 Posted 12/19/2007  2:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya I definitely moved on from this auction ,,it ended and the coin sold for about 3.50 over value on the coin ,, based on book values ,,in the real world more like 5.00.

Its really easy to tell a new buyer and a new collector from those who are paying a little over value for a coin they have been searching for .

The experienced collector will show a pattern on what they buy ,, the new guy's will be all over the place like this guy's is , indianheads,buffalo's roosevelt dimes,lincolns ,,basically all circulated and all over bid .

Metalman

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 Posted 12/19/2007  4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kurt, please write a book so the rest of us can buy at "half" book value! Seriously, this only means something to me if I know what "book" you are quoting from. If it's Red-book or PCGS Trends then I understand. If it's Grey-sheet or CDN let us in on the secret!

On the original subject, love it or hate it every one of us was a "newbie"(hate the word, prefer novice or beginner) at one time. Those of us who bought coins via the mail or magazine ads prior to the Internet certainly overpaid from time to time as we learned. The difference is we probably did not impact more knowledgeable collectors. As recently as last summer, I admit to over paying by 30% for a coin that I have been chasing for about a year. I got sick of being out-bid and put in an absurd bid on the coin. It could have been worse because someone could have pushed it up another 20% before I would have lost the coin. While not a rare coin per say it was a tougher date Shield Nickel that was in the grade range of the set I am trying to assemble.

Many things, not always newness to the hobby motivate coins selling for a substantial amount over current market value as most of us know. I can tell you, I learned as much or more from the coins I paid too much for than those few that I snagged real cheap. Quite frankly, although I have just admitted to overpaying on this nickel, I get more frustrated by buyers with very deep pockets whose feedback indicates they always overpay or apparently so. My rant is over, Peace and good luck to all just getting started in the hobby. Remember...read, read, read, and read some more! Mike
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 Posted 12/23/2007  08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Metalman; I can get full of platitudes, disappointment, even sanctimonious when I get outbid on eBay (that's not an editorial on your perspective, by the way)...thing is, all that falls away when I'm the seller.

In my very short on experience here in this forum; however, I would much rather sell you a coin below or at value than to an unknown (newbie my #** !) person on eBay for at least two reasons:

1. It's meaningful to me that it's meaningful to you

2. We can amicably negotiate a return/refund.

I heard that an American-made light-bulb sold for $50 on eBay recently. After some research, the buyer lives in a place where light bulbs easily cost that or more. Methinks that it's not only knowledge (or lack thereof) about coins, but access to coins, motivation/energy (or lack thereof)to do research, seek, and find coins that often dictates above value purchases.

Would you rather get $1200 or $1500 for a VF/XF SVDB?






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 Posted 12/23/2007  5:09 pm  Show Profile Check bmanofnbc's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why is it that when I sell coins on eBay these "Newbies" never overbid on them?

To answer the original question, NO it doesn't bother me. I just start looking for another coin to buy at the price I'm willing to pay(including shipping charges)
check out my coins for sale on ecrater -
http://bmanscoinsforsale.ecrater.com/
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12/23/2007 5:11 pm
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 Posted 12/23/2007  10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I place a reasonable bid on a coin I want, it bothers me if ANYBODY outbids me. Being outbid by a newbie, a cherry picker, a shill, an investor, a kid, a fellow collector I'd like under other circumstances ... doesn't matter. When I go to the trouble to bid, it bothers me if I don't win.

But I get over it.
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 Posted 12/26/2007  3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add inacoffeebuzz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find being outbid a mixed blessing. Although I lose out on a lot of items, if I got everything I bid on I would be in real trouble .
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 Posted 12/26/2007  7:21 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Although I lose out on a lot of items, if I got everything I bid on I would be in real trouble


Yeah, if I won everything I bid on, I'd be getting divorc.....oh, wait.
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 Posted 12/27/2007  09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not bother me much on getting outbid. Occasionally I'm glad because it's money I don't have to spend and "there will always be another" down the pipeline- and there always is. There have been a few that I lost that I really wanted, but it's not the end of the world. I try not to overbid and get into bidding wars. I put in one or two bids and walk away. I don't have time to watch these things when they close, so I often don't win because I don't snipe. I put my bid in, walk away and if I win, hooray!
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