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1858 One Cent-known 'faults'?

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 Posted 03/26/2009  1:46 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add middenmess to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

1858 Canada One Cent.

Die faults/metal splashes to several places.

Most noticeable through the 'A' of 'GRATIA'and then slightly less noticeable on the obverse through the bottom leaf
the leaf to the left of 'ONE'
vine to beaded border between the 'E' of 'ONE' and the 'T' of 'CENT'

Are these known or common faults?

Photos below with lights at different angles--one day I'll master digital photography!-LOL.




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 Posted 03/26/2009  2:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I'm seeing are die cracks, which normally happen as the die wears.
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 Posted 03/26/2009  4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add snaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I'm seeing is one AWESOME 1858 Large cent! That's a real dog!
has it been slabbed since you took the pictures?
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 Posted 03/26/2009  4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add middenmess to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi snaz-coin has been tucked away in my coin 'collection' for many a year and has just been 'liberated'!
I've never been that involved in the higher reaches of coin collecting and only came across the term 'slabbing' a few days ago just before I joined this forum!
Pictures taken this afternoon.
Probably going to put it on eBay--unless there are better alternatives!
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 Posted 03/26/2009  5:11 pm  Show Profile Check chequer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't really watched a lot of raw 1858 Canadian cent auctions, but my initial thought is that bidders may not bid as high on a non-slabbed key coin like that ... especially with all the fakes, etc. that are out there.

Hopefully you can get some good advice from someone more in tune with eBay auctions of coins like this
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 Posted 03/26/2009  5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add middenmess to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How does one go about getting a coin 'slabbed' bearing in mind that I'm in the UK.
What sort of cost is involved etc?
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 Posted 03/26/2009  5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add adanak44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice large penny. I like it. S/H and grade estimate cost $100.00?
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 Posted 03/26/2009  5:34 pm  Show Profile Check chequer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only MS one in the completed auctions is a MS-63 brown PCGS that went for $725 Cdn ... but it wasn't an auction, it was a best offer. Personally, I think the cost of grading that coin would be worth it ... would love to see what ICCS would say.
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 Posted 03/26/2009  5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add middenmess to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From what replies I've had to several posts and from reading other peoples posts there appears to be a fair amount of difference between what we grade in the UK and the gradings from the US etc.

ICSS ?--Grading company?--I've just googled ICSS,quite amusing! best one was...
The ICSS Website
The International Carotid Stenting Study
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:01 pm  Show Profile Check chequer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL No, ICCS ... not ICSS
But, ICCS doesn't have a website anyway ... a look at the CCCS website gives an idea of prices and such, but ICCS is the established grading company for Canadian coins.
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add snaz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is a GEM! Probably one of the better I have see before.
One sold at heritage a while back as MS 65 for $3450,00.
I see no reason yours could not get Full red and a 64 MINIMUM!
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add middenmess to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
snaz--LOL--a few more postings like that and I'll be a millionaire!!

On a serious note--what would be my best move with this item.
I do realise as I'm sure you do, that sometimes the camera paints a better picture [can't believe that I've just typed that gibberish!] and that everyone has a differing opinion especially so when it comes to the condition of a coin so a professional appraisal would be of benefit----I suppose!
How long does a grading take in turnaround time?
Looks like I need a 'coin partner' in Canada!
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:31 pm  Show Profile Check SHAFTA9a's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a beautiful large cent.

Sure beats my VF sample, and I agree with snaz, for sure MS-64,65
True North
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03/26/2009 6:33 pm
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add simplycolors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin. It's got die breaks too, I love it
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say if this were my coin, I would have PCCS grade it:

http://www.pcgs.com/

This definitely a very high end coin, and folks who buy this type of coin are fairly knowledgeable. You could also have it cross graded by ICCS. If you want to sell it, then a good venue would be Heritage Coin:

http://coins.ha.com/

If this coin grades MS65 Red, then it could fetch in the area of $7,500 CDN (or about 4,150) before the 15% auctioneer fee is added. The final price of course would be determined by the grade and color rating of the coin, as well as the image of the coin as viewed by buyers.
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add middenmess to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Off to look at http://coins.ha.com/ and ICCS and CCCS

Best I rake through my box of misc.again!-LOL

I must bear in mind that 'if it looks to good to be true then it usually is'---well that's generally the case with me!
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