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jdheyne
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 Posted 09/22/2006  11:21 am Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I was at a local auction a couple of days ago... they had 7, Seven different "Alphabet" Slabs in there, as well as ANACS, PCI, ICG, PCGS, NGC for a total of 12 Different Slab "Companies".

But those coins brought the money.
Someone labels a 76 Ike that was a scruffy UNC as a MS-70... brought $50! I just shook my head.

This was not the only case like this. It happened all over.
Quite rediculous. Not only just the slabs, but the fools willing to bid on that stuff.

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 Posted 09/22/2006  4:47 pm  Show Profile Check swamperbob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jdheyne - I agree with the comment 100%.

It would be interesting to see how many different grading slabs are out there. I have over 20 different companies and tend to pick up any new ones I happen across - provided they are cheap. The cheapest so far was a late date Copper-nickel Kennedy half I got in a 50 cent junk box. So in that case, the slab added ZERO to what I paid. It was listed at MS 69 but in reality was much closer to EF or AU.
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 Posted 09/22/2006  8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jordan, was this a coin auction or just a general collectibles auction? Seems to me serious coin collectors would know the difference between quality TPGs and wannabe and boiler room one person grading companies.

Bob, it would take a lot of time to list them, but I would guess there are 50 to 100 alphabet companies out there, most established solely to sell on eBay. The problem is these junk slabs wind up on the open market such as Jordan described. I'm guessing the fools who bought the bogus slabs on eBay were trying (and succeeded) to unload them off onto other unknowing fools in a venue where the buyers would not be familiar enough with eBay coin sales to be savvy about the junk slabs. The ones who bought will eventually figure it out and either take their losses or try to foist them on yet other unsuspecting victims. And the cycle goes on and on and on... They would never be able to sell them at a larger auction with professional dealers; they'd be laughed off the floor.

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 Posted 09/22/2006  10:00 pm  Show Profile Check swamperbob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Morgan Fred - the same thing happens with the counterfeits coming out of China. The buyers who got taken try to recover their "investment" by selling them to unsuspecting people and it repeats.
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 Posted 09/25/2006  09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred

Jordan, was this a coin auction or just a general collectibles auction? Seems to me serious coin collectors would know the difference between quality TPGs and wannabe and boiler room one person grading companies.



This was strictly a coin auction. One would think that any serious collector should know the difference, but they don't. That is why I brought it up at our Coin Club for our next topic to be slabs and grading, followed by a meeting on Keys/Counterfeits. Too many people out there trying to _____ (so many words to choose from, I'll just keep it blank) unknowing people.
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 Posted 09/25/2006  10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jcook54 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All too often people put faith in the "slab" assuming that they do not have to know much about coins or their actual condition if it is third party graded. As far as they know all that is required to collect coins or get a "good deal" is a Red Book and the ability to understand what MS70 is. Let the "pros" grade them and stick to slabs. This is a very dangerous way of going about collecting.

For example, my Father thought that all of my slabs had to be the most valuable because they were encapsulated. However, some of my most valuable coins have never been "professionally" graded. Not being aware of TPG differences in quality and accuracy (even with reputable companies) can really burn people and turn them off to the hobby forever!
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 Posted 09/25/2006  2:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As of now, I doubt I will ever slab a coin, unless it has a shot at 65 or higher for a Morgan or something like that.
I have sent a couple coins in to get authenticated (16-D and 09 S VDB), but never to get graded. I am not going to pay for someone else's opinion on the coin. I have my own.
Nor will I ever pay a premium for a coin being in a slab. The ONLY reasons I can see myself going to slab coins in the future is for authentication (as I already mentioned), and just simply protection... when I finally get my 1796 Quarter, I am not going to keep that just in a 2x2... it will probably go into a slab for protection.

Someone I used to deal with felt that since the grading fee was $15, the coin is worth $15 more.
I could not disagree more with that statement.

I'm not saying I will not buy a slabbed coin. I will buy slabs, if it is a good deal on the coin.

I agree with your statement jcook, about people putting faith in the slab. Like you said, it is a very dangerous way of collecting.

Well, there's my thought on slabs... it doesn't seem like I am alone on this one.
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