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1880-CC VAM 7 or 7A

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Ham1947
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 Posted 10/27/2011  2:31 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Could anyone explain the difference in these 2 VAM's? Is there more than (1) different mark(s) between the two? Thanks.

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 Posted 10/27/2011  7:45 pm  Show Profile Check nlp coins's eBay Listings Check nlp coins's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the clashing of the dies without a silver planchet between them. Letter transfer on the neck of Anna. nlp
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 Posted 10/27/2011  10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NLP is correct, the marks on the coin are from the press running and a malfunction in the feeder, which allowed no coin to be present when the dies would normally have a coin between them, this results in the two dies hitting teach other..most of the time there are marks of both OBV and REV die impressions being left upon each of the dies respectivly.....In your coins case these left a letter transfer as " PER the rule goes", to be considered a new die state..hence the 7 and 7A designations,
The 1880-CC is interesting because some of its examples were clashed twice,
some coins have only the one clashing where the "N" from the REV impression from the words e "iN god we trust"..
The "N" letter clash can be seen,,,,while others have another clash or second clash located just along the lower chin..left of the neck, with no letter transfer...The interesting thing is, IT WAS a very strong clash in which in many cases does or can leave a letter transfer of the "G" in "in God we trust", how ever this instance it didn't leave a letter clash due to its off set die placement or "rotation" which can be seen on the reverse eagles right wing, where one can see a the clashed mark between the N and G of the same phrase...If it had touched the G there would have been an additional letter transfer of the G upon the OBV...something I'm not thinking exists, that is to say BOTH the N and G clashes don not exist at the same time on the same coin...?speak out if any one knows of such an animal..
any way, that's the general "why's" of whats happening upon the 1880-CC and all the other vams having those same attributes of letter transfers...
hope this clears it all up for you as it applies to all other coins as well...G
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 Posted 10/28/2011  7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the information. I am having a tough time finding the clashed "n" along Liberty's neck. I cannot even see it in VAM Worlds photo with an arrow pointing at it. What exactly in the "n" suppose to look like? A partical, whole letter, or a mirror image? Sorry for all the questions, but I am one of those who cannot let these things go.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post photo's of your coin's OBV and REV and a close up if possible of the neck area We can go from there...
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 Posted 10/28/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, the "N" clash is only a small amount of the top of the N its not a full letter transfer. I'm sure thats whats confusing you..thinking your supposed to see the full "N" usually its some what of an small arc, or top portion of the letter "N" in some cases very pronounced "I&N" letters have around a third to half visable..
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 Posted 10/29/2011  12:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gene, You are sooooo correct, If you see a small portion of the letter transfer, You have a winner, if not well, Que Sara , Sara...... . ( WHAT WILL BE, WILL BE.......)
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You are totally correcT, you will not see the Entire letter transfer in this case, I agree totally, you will only see a small portion of any letter transfer on this variety.........
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 Posted 10/29/2011  12:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Mike, I think I will post the traditional N tick photo
and the BIG IN clash.. will take a few minutes to research copy and so forth, as you well know...I think he's got a winner! Back iin a while..Gene
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 Posted 10/29/2011  01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here some slight but acceptable "N" ticks, and the FABULOSE "N" impressions...Slight meaning it can be a very small portion of the top of the letter N...such as this... I borrowed this from VAM world as an example you can see, usually I have my own photo's to share with you, note the coin has the wing clashes at the neck line, straight lines at about 45 degrees....around the middle of the neck, is a slight arc impression, this is the top of the letter "N" from the reverse motto ...i"N" god we trust".. Note for example this coin exhibits 3 lines at 45 degrees, meaning 3 clashing's, but only one resulted in a partial letter transfer, the "N" tic...this next photo. shows, what is know as the "IN" clash..where there is a great deal of SOLID letter transfer, possibly half of the letters, but you can get the idea here...


Notice the IMPRESSION of the "I" and "N" very strong impressions..not totally impressed, but still clearly visible... A true WOW coin...I post these shots as examples OF what known clashing looks like, so you will have an idea of what clashes can occur and what to look for as you look at your coin in hand.....Gene
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 Posted 10/29/2011  07:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ham1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I see what you are refering to. My example (coin) is in a safe deposit box, and I am on vacation for a month. I'll take a very close look when I return. Thanks to all who responded.
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 Posted 05/11/2012  2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgancc95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 1880 cc VAM 7a and I was wondering what the price of a 1880 cc reverse of a 78 VAM 7a GSA hoard ms66 would be worth? retail and wholesale?

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 Posted 05/11/2012  5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do know what coin world says that price,in MS-66 in the original GSA holder is $5000.00, VERY SWEET, VERY.......... :) PS, IF not in the GSA holder MS-66 = $2700 +, The price for an ALL original GSA boxed coin and a slabbed coin, stating GSA Hoard, two different animals!!! Good Luck.....
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 Posted 05/11/2012  8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgancc95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to put that it was an 8/ high 7 but I guess you knew that being VAM 7a?
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 Posted 05/11/2012  10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgancc95 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's in a GSA box through NGC
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 Posted 05/11/2012  11:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very Sweet Coin..........All Original.
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 Posted 05/12/2012  12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Dad, Very sweet coin, Has it been attributed?...For the money its worth the price of admissions.... Saying......and confirmed attribution is worth a ton of money in that grade!.....Best of luck......G
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