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Another poster suggest I put these pics here to see if any VAM expert can help me out. Originally I wanted to know if I should grade them/what the grade might be. 1878-P    1878-S   1878-CC   Thanks guys! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey there- just so you know , every Morgan and Peace dollar IS a VAM ... Each year , each coin is Labled with a SINGLE VAM number .. But , There was multiple Die's used *which gives them the VAM numbers due to small changes in dies , or from cracks/Breaks Ect .. I'm going to give these a shot , maybe alittle tough .. Just need alittle clearer photos (myself my eyes are terrible lol) .. But ill give it a shot and see what I can find out For you on these .. Sometimes its worth it , sometimes its not .. so if I dont find anything of interest ill let you know as well .. Best of luck - Phil \m/ |
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My quick pick for 1878-CC would be VAM 27. one thing that would help alot, is having your pictures taken where the Obverse and Reverse are NOT rotated.... if I get some time I will gander at the other two..G |
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your 1878P appears to be the long nock B1 series{V79?}, vams 70 to 86, should be easy for you to narrow down, your photo's are a little on the over lighted side...but not bad..G
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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the 1878-P looks like its a VAM-84 (which is also a B-1 Reverse) It doesn't have any disconnected leaves so that rules out VAM's 70-82 and 85 and 86. It looks like the D in Dollar is broken and the nostril looks almost completely gone and it looks like it has a weak L in LIBERTY, I do not really see the dash under the 8 clearly but I believe I do see it. It doesn't have the High 1 in the date (or low 8 to some) so that rules out the VAM-83 and really leaves only the VAM-84 |
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United States
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The 78-S have broken 4th star on the obverse, paired with appear to be intact r in trust of the reverse. It also have overpolished hair. Could be one of the VAM-17 series.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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the VAM-17 has missing detail in the hair that I can't make out. I at first thought VAM-17 as well but that missing hair curl is the definitive attribute for me on that particular VAM. If there was a better shot of the end of the hair curl right at the bottom of the neck I could tell you for sure if it was a VAM-17 variety. If it is you would have to look a little closer to see if its a VAM-17A (with denticle impressions) or just a VAM-17 |
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one can not rule out all of the 7/8 tail feather varieties as the focus of these pics are not so good...7/8 varieties also share the B1 long nock paralell arrow shafts and have 7 tail feathers so they can not be ruled out....
to narrow the choices down, post some clear close ups of the nose, the RIB in liberty and the ear and cotton bowl and the reverse shots around the eagles talons and bow....These shots will should nail the attribution we can all agree on...
Mind you Bryans really dang good at B1's, but I dont see the washed out L, with the quality of the photo's...
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sorry the photo shot of RIB is in the Epluribus unum not in liberty..
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I actually think it could be a VAM-84A because even though I can't make out the clash at the neck I think I may see part of the E clash on the Reverse picture. I would love to hear from the OP about these coins and maybe see some pictures of the areas mentioned so we can give a definitive answer
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I agree, better photo's are needed, and I surely don't need to imply the your Acknowledged knowledge of die cracks doesn't apply... ....die cracks are an advanced attribution skill. for those are wondering... in general....die cracks occur in any coins die life. They are like finger prints...There cracks are SPECIFIC in there breakage pattern.. Although in mint production die cracks occur regularly in the life of the dies production life..as they are pushed beyond there life expectancy....they are in no way......always "CONSISTANT" in the breakage patterns....Every die has its own failures and die breakdowns...of what we study to ascertain the VAM's identity...Most are from the date placement and the mint mark placement to get us go9ing in the correct dirction of attribution... But for 1878 its a different monster....and for the beginner of vams. This is the GREATEST of years to study. full of production problems and the many "DIE ERRORS AND PRINCIPLES" that determine what a VAM is and what the rules that determine what constituets a VAM... .. Well I see./I am moving way far offline...about this certain unknown coin into idealology,,,so I will rest. ......The certainty......is,,,,Vague photos./; will result in many guesses.......clean and clear phtos will allow us all to see and aggree on what it is.. |
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Yea , thats why I had such a hard time lol .. My eyes couldnt pick up the things I need to ( still only good with certain pick-up points and really need to see them clearly  But I'm still learning the art of vamming slowly but surely  ) I tried to re-work some of the photos for the OP to have a better idea . But nothing I did worked enough for me to make a Positive ID that I was comfortable with .. Clearer photos would really help out , just is one of the tougher things to do lol .. took me a bit to learn that part but after messing around with the LIGHTING and my Camera adjustments things came together .. Phil \m/ Edited by tatt2ed13
05/18/2012 03:32 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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the photos are actually pretty good as far as a coin photo, but the angles and lighting makes it very hard to attribute them by a specific VAM. If this were a grading section these photos would be great with only one slightly out of focus but when it comes to trying to chose one VAM out of the huge list we need to see straight down and sometimes specific areas that stands out to the OP. I would not be surprised to be wrong in my guess as that is exactly what it was, was a guess but figured I would join in the conversation until we had better photographs to say definitely what we were looking at |
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 United States
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Sorry for not answering... been busy.
Those are as good as my camera will take them. I will try to retake them. However, this might be a few weeks :( I'm on the move quite a lot.
I do want to say THANKS for everyone who is chimming in. I don't know much (as I'm learning) when it comes to VAMs... so very interesting.
Although
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Bedrock of the Community
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on the 1878-P if you would take a picture straight on it may help, also if you can just look under the first 8 in the date and see if there is a dash under it that will confirm the VAM-84 variety on that one. On The a878-S if you could take a picture of it straight on also we may be able to see the missing detail in the hair curls to determine if it is a VAM-17 as well
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Posted 05/16/2012 12:29 am
