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ContraJame
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 Posted 02/19/2012  8:40 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ContraJame to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Did they have any sort of quality control on the Morgan's like they did for the Peace dollars? It seems like there are so many VAM's for Morgan's.

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 Posted 02/19/2012  9:25 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It seems like there are so many VAM's for Morgan's.


There are thousands, but that's because there were thousands of dies produced. Not counting 1921, there were over 3500 die pairs produced for Morgan dollars. Many of them were interchanged during their lifetimes, creating thousands of additional die pairs.

Prior to 1878, the Mint had reached the mintage of one million Dollar-sized coins only twice in a single mintage year. Morgans were mandated to be produced at the rate of two million per month. Everything was running at peak capacity, the dies had to be pushed to the limit of their lifespan and quality control had to suffer slightly just to get enough coins out the door.

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 Posted 02/19/2012  9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ContraJame to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm assuming the QC process for mass production was developed with the Morgan series. Was there improvement from start to finish (1878 VS 1904 or 1921)? Are most of the errors due to die wear while QC caught most mechanical errors like off center? I know I'm looking from the mile high view when I could likely dive below the bottom of the ocean and not know it all. My curiosity is piqued.
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 Posted 02/19/2012  10:53 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True mechanical errors are pretty rare with Morgans, as you assume. The majority of VAM identifications are for pretty arcane features. The mints were quite willing to keep striking cracked dies - obviously, since die cracks abound with Morgans - and I suspect that was a deliberate decision on their part given the production pressure.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  12:44 am  Show Profile Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And beyond the quality control which dave touched on, most Morgans did not circulate, they just sat around in bag in bank vaults, other than being moved they stayed (for the most part) in nice condition.

EDIT- I don't mean to imply they didn't circulate at all, it's just the majority of them didn't, those that did seem to have really circulated a lot, but millions upon millions were realeased in uncirculated bags 70-150 years after they were minted. Most of them went out at Chirstmas time to local banks where so many people got them to give out as gifts, then they stored them away again.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  09:20 am  Show Profile Check SeatedNut's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just can't let this one go without comment. ContraJame used the terms "quality control," "errors," and "VAMs" in such a way that it could be interpreted a VAM is an error.

A VAM is cataloging number for the specific die pairing used to mint the Morgan or Peace dollar. A VAM is not "a broken fourth right star". The broken fourth right star is a "pick-up point or PUP" or characteristic or the obverse die used to make that particular dollar.

I cringe on eBay when I see a listing touting all the spectacular VAMs on a particular Morgan/Peace dollar. There are usually many PUPs, but only ONE VAM.
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 Posted 02/22/2012  10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ContraJame to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My mind was in the right place but my terminology was not. Thanks for the clarification. :)
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 Posted 02/22/2012  11:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add morgans dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with what SD stated, I feel "IF" the quality control, were like say the same as today for the ASE'S, We would NOT have things to keep us as busy, searching/seeking all the smaller differences we have come to enjoy.....I also feel things are what they are today because of the route chosen to get the demand met, and any other way, would leave us plenty less Morgan/Peace Dollars to look at for those wonderful ECD'S, THE K-TOP12, THE TOP 100 LIST, THE TOP 50 LIST, THE 40-HITLIST AND MANY, MANY MORE......PS, Also Thank You LCVA, AND AGM, Who together helped find/feed a passion I did not even know I had........ :)
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