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Soviet 5 Roubles 1958

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 Posted 03/06/2012  4:53 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Jamesmblair to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I attach scans of the obverse and reverse of a 1958 USSR 5 Roubles. I have had this coin for about 25 years but can find nothing about its history or background, apart from the fact it is a pattern or trial striking.

Can anyone please provide any background information? Was there any particular reason why they produced a pattern for this value in that year? Was an issue being contemplated for some specific purpose such as use in coin-operated machines, or as a more convenient means of paying airport taxes or the special tax that rail passengers crossing the Soviet border?

Also, are these patterns rare or relatively common?






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 Posted 03/06/2012  5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a coin never intended for circulation. The majority of them was melted. This coin is quite rare and could be worth anything from 300 to 3000 pounds.
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 Posted 03/07/2012  12:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You'll be a mad man to sell it for a mere 300 - 3000 pounds. I would snap it at that price. It should be at least 6000 USD to more than 10000 USD if genuine. Definitely rare and they are just impossible to obtain other than at auction houses.
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 Posted 03/08/2012  2:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jamesmblair to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the most helpful information. Were I minded to sell this piece, can anyone suggest the best place to do so? eBay? Auction House (which one is best for this piece)? Can you sell via this forum even?
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 Posted 03/11/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nicwinner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that's a extremely rare coin IF IT REAL. however, it is a FAKE coin from my perspective. could you weight it?
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 Posted 03/12/2012  02:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's easy to march through a bunch of threads and through simple opinions around, "FAKE", "REAL", "100% sure". Are there any facts / arguments behind this? Could you, please, share your "perspective"?
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 Posted 03/12/2012  5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


On the Austria 1897 2 heller, he just repeated what me and Amida17 said, a bit annoying
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 Posted 03/13/2012  12:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jamesmblair to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight is approximately 15 grams (using kitchen scales). It came from a very knowledgable and reputable dealer in London in the 1980's. How would I be able to find out for certain whether or not it is genuine? Presumably if it is a fake or restrike it is pretty much worthless.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  1:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vb3347 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any reason to believe that it is a fake. As Apollo said, it was never released into circulation, with the vast majority of the 5.1 million minted remelted. As for value, I think somewhere between $500-$1000 is fair. It is not THAT rare for it to be worth thousands.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe this is a fake (meaning forged by a third party) as all the details look pretty much perfect. Restrike, on the other hand, is a possibility. After all Russia is known for its "novodels". I don't know, though, about any documentation on this matter.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jamesmblair to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much, gentlemen. As 5.1 million were struck I am going to research whether there was any particular reason why so many were minted, then a decision made not to release them into circulation. I will post any information I find.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think a lot of you are underestimating how rare the coin is. Please tell me when the last time you saw one on auction. While the smaller denomination 1 kopek to 1 ruble were accidentally released for circulation in extremely low numbers, 2, 3 and 5 ruble coins were never meant to.

If you see one for sale for 500-1000 dollars, please let me know. Anyone can turn that into profit straight away, guaranteed.

1958 'trial' coins were still common 10-20 years ago but dried up since then. They are no longer common even with auction houses. I am not aware of novodel coins struck for this particular series, however, there are copies known but usually crude. So far the pictures look ok but can't 100% guarantee that it's genuine.
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