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Counterfeit Morgan Dollar or Peace Dollar

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 Posted 03/09/2012  9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect and study counterfeits so whatever fakes I find would be photographed, classified, conspicuously labeled, and then come to rest somewhere in my black cabinet.

If it's a variety I already have several examples of and is otherwise not of interest, it gets stamped with "COPY" on both sides and it becomes play money for the kids. :-)

I also always keep a fake Morgan (a 1903-CC ;-) ) in my back pocket as a conversation piece.

Edit: I also couldn't vote in the poll. It seems broken.
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03/09/2012 9:13 pm
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 Posted 03/09/2012  11:29 pm  Show Profile Check Coinstar's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my fake Morgan I keep and stick to a magnet and show people what (some) fakes look like
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 Posted 03/10/2012  7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am certain a dealer could spot a fake


Half of all dealers are below average , so I dunno if that's always true.
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 Posted 03/11/2012  11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Half of all dealers are below average , so I dunno if that's always true.


Indeed. Hehe I forgot to mention that all of my fakes to date were purchased from dealers (after being identified as fakes, of course) who were less than careful when they, themselves, bought them. :-)
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 Posted 03/11/2012  1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was offered seven fake trade dollars the other day, four dangerously deceptive. When I told the woman they were fake, she didn't act very surprised, so I suspect she had already been told.
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 Posted 03/11/2012  1:52 pm  Show Profile Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you detect a Chinese fake Morgan/Peace Dollar by using a strong magnet ?
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 Posted 03/11/2012  3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not all fakes are magnetic. In fact, I just picked up 7 new specimens for my black cabinet today, and 4 of them were not. However, many of them are. There is an entire battery of tests you can easily perform that will weed out 99% of all of fakes. The remaining 1% you'd need specialized equipment, or a lot of patience, to detect.

I'll actually be posting a fake-detection tutorial on the Numismetrica blog in the upcoming weeks due to a new series I'm covering on counterfeits. --> http://numismetrica.wordpress.com/
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 Posted 03/11/2012  3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How much do you usually have to pay for your counterfeits?
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 Posted 03/12/2012  5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really depends on how much the dealer in question is willing to part with them for. I tend to pay $1-3 a piece for counterfeit silver dollars nowadays. For exceedingly good specimens (from the aforementioned 1%) I may pay a premium, and for counterfeits made of silver (they exist, but are rare) I pay spot based on a reasonable estimate of purity.

Sometimes I'll have an agreement with a dealer where they let me keep any fakes I find in their holdings or recent acquisitions (of course, provided I can prove to them beyond a shadow of a doubt they're fake :-) ) or I'll go over a lot a dealer wishes to buy from a third party and haggle with the seller for the counterfeits I find.

It's a very mixed bag. :-)
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