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Evaluate this Crown (on behalf of tights24)

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 Posted 02/10/2007  11:12 am Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

This thread is a post from tights24 which was moved from another thread into its' own.

While my pictures aren't as good as Superdave's, this is my first purchase from Oz. What do you guys think for a grade, and what is the value at such a grade. Hopefully I didn't take a beating on this one.....







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Hi tights

Im far from an expert on the grades ,, but I see the coin as a EF/AU ,,Im concerned about the surfaces they show signs of abrasive cleaning, which on a US coin would hit the grade by at least two points and possibly three for value.

I will be interested to see what those more familiar with these coins have to say .

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Thank you Dave and Metalman.

MM, I was thinking the same thing, but I need to do two things first. Take better pictures, and get more thoughts from the world coin collectors as to value. I picked this up from my local dealer, and I'm sure that I can return it if it is not near the correct value. If it's within a couple of bucks of what I paid, then it's a "learning" coin for me. If it's worth half, I will be making a trip on Monday......
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 Posted 02/10/2007  4:33 pm  Show Profile Check markn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say EF, but the obverse looks like its been cleaned at some stage. AU$15-30 coin (on eBay at least).
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Here are a couple more with different lighting. Not sure if it makes a difference. I just think this coin is definitely in AU, but I may just be hoping for too much.

Well, in looking at the preview, I don't know that these pics are any better. Regardless, thanks for the posts and comments.






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 Posted 02/10/2007  4:59 pm  Show Profile Check markn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those photos are defintely more flattering. AU may be correct. May get a coin like that for AU$35-40 on eBay. I have a slider AU/UNC crown around here that I paid $25 for. I'll put up some photos a bit later.
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Thanks mark. I still can't tell if it was cleaned, and the only difference in these photos was lighting. I did no adjusting in photoshop, especially since I can't even figure out how to yet. The latter pics are with outside natural lighting. I paid $30 US for this coin, so if I lost $10 or $15, I'll be a little miffed, but not too much. If this turns out to be a $5 coin, I think I would have to have a talk with my dealer...

That being said, he has never been "bad" to me yet, so I guess I'll just take my lumps.
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 Posted 02/10/2007  5:23 pm  Show Profile Check markn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well it isn't a $5 coin. Worst case is it is a $15 coin imho. At $30 if it's AU and uncleaned I'd say you did pretty well.
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OK, here's mine, its a lot whiter than the photo but I'm holding a baby atm so it tough adjusting colors!. I'd say this is an AU too.

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Sorry, tights, but I couldn't net grade yours much above gVF; EF tops. There are too many serious knocks on the obverse: cheek, hair, around the lettering in D:G: BR and the N in OMN, and in the field in front of the nose. The reverse seems curiously free of such marks - it might have been dropped on the road or something. Split grade it: gVF/gEF.

Local CV for EF condition is AU$50, down to AU$25 for VF, up to AU$100 for aUnc. The catalogue may be a tad optimistic on this one.
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Heh. Maybe I should revise mine down too. I'll stick with my original grading of EF, I think VF is way too tough. These big coins are notorious for picking up bag marks and hits from the other crowns as they were being minted.
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I couldn't grade this coin as aUnc. There are too many dings and knocks on the obverse. His ear, nose and cheek, as well as in the G:BR:OMH, are all quite dented. It also has some carbon spots on the rim of the reverse that detract from its overall appearance. I would grade it EF, but I'm unsure if the obverse has been cleaned.
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 Posted 02/11/2007  09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks folks. I am certainly not expecting any leniency on grade just because I am wishing for it...lolol Unfortunately, I agree with the grading everyone has provided, and I really don't see it anywhere close to AU. I do see it as EF though. Ah well, you buy and you learn. Even with a little magnification it looked pretty good, but these pictures really show detail for not being a "coin" camera.

I think I will carry my camera and laptop with me from now on and take and "develop" pictures prior to buying.
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