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My new CoinWeek piece: Army Half Dollar 2011 Reconsidered...

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 Posted 05/07/2012  09:01 am Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

http://www.coinweek.com/news/specia...econsidered/

I turn my attention to the seemingly popular 2011 Army half dollar and wonder why the coin is selling so well now when it barely attracted collectors' interest late into last year. Could the coin media "experts" be to bleme? And just how many years of war coins does Congress need to make? We get it, Congress, you like war.

Let me know what you think!

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 Posted 05/07/2012  09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stewart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Charles,

Nicely put together article.

It reminds me of the situation with the Lincoln Log Cabin Cents and the
ensuing insanity in the days immediately following their release. As far as the price versus actual availability

Terry

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The article states: "it is in fact a missile, soaring off into the sky, set to level some remote target."

I thought that the missile was launching a satellite, based off the whole "Service in Peace" thing. I could be wrong here as I know little of what type of missile it really is.
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It looks like an ICBM. Military Satellites aren't peaceful by nature.
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cc,
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just how many years of war coins does Congress need to make?

IMHO Congress can Honor all our Men and Women who have served.
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 Posted 05/07/2012  6:41 pm  Show Profile Check smokeriderdon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have liked something more about coin collecting instead of a thinly veiled left wing hit piece against the military. You ask my opinion, my opinion is that it was drivel.
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 Posted 05/07/2012  6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add VACookey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, I feel like I'm reading Media Matters or the Daily Kos.
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 Posted 05/07/2012  6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regardless of politcal ideologies this statement should not be ignored...


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If you weren't in a hurry to buy this coin when it was cheap, why do you want it now that it costs 400% more?



Seems humans sometimes only want things when someone tells them they do.....
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Amida, for that particular issue, which IS actually relevant. Seems that possibly not a lot of people were aware of the Army coin, perhaps over shadowed by the Medal of Valor coin, and have grown aware at this later date. I know I have wanted one, just have never got around to getting it. I guess I will just be one of those idiots who pays a premium. *shrugs*
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I can't say that I'm all that surprised by some of the comments, but thankfully I am more than confident in my ability to defend my position.

If you read the article as a criticism of the military, you read too much into it. I did not feel that it was necessary to state my own wartime veteran experience as a member of the Army MI community during 9/11 and the run-up to Iraq.

@bpoc1- I showed the number of coins sold for these military themes and the volume of them over the past few years not to question the worthiness of supporting the military- but to show that the public has kind of grown tired of buying these coins year after year. I also think that it is a sad statement that our Congress thinks that so few other aspects of American life are worthy of commemoration that we get military coins year after year. What does that say about Congress?

@smokediron- you are too polarized in your politics if you cannot look at these statements: "The Army hasn't enjoyed a peacetime posture in over ten years. This is just one of the many curious aspects of this ill-conceived design."

and

"The coin is cluttered with inscriptions, and the date (especially on the business strike version) is buried in the churning clouds of exhaust created by a launching missile. At first glance it resembles the Washington Monument- but it is in fact a missile, soaring off into the sky, set to level some remote target.... hardly an image that corresponds with the words "Service in Peace"

and not find something truthful.

A minuteman missile, which is what I assume the missile is- is a WMD. In the hands of another country- we'd hardly call it a peaceful device. Furthermore, as someone who spent the better part of my 20s in the military and still have friends who are career soldiers and marines- I'd rather they come home and be with the spouses and children they left behind.

Also, in the midst of a decade long war- what is being implied by Service in Peace? It's Orwellian.


having said all of that- what I am really getting at is how collectors have to be on their guard- that coins become much more desirable when someone is telling you that they are scarce- the Army half is a manufactured "key" coin for the modern commemorative series. The attempts to describe the coin and its place relative to other coins was, perhaps, a less than successful attempt to explain why nobody bought it in the first place- nobody but dealers, it seems...

Next week I'll write about a much less confrontational topic.

I do appreciate everyone comments, however, even if I disagree with the conclusions.

Thanks guys!

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Just as a general comment I for one would love to see some more war coins. Im from a military family and appreciate what the coins represent and love the history of them. I would love to see some WW1 coins or even a series commemorating the major battles of WW2 or other wars. Keep them coming congress lol
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Just as Orwellian as Ensure. Pfffttttt
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Great idea, basebal! How about coins depicting those people, groups, and/or corporations who profit from war? We can refer to the coins as the "War Profiteers" series! How about it, congress? Dick Cheney and Halliburten can have their own coin, too!
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So now we're talking about Dick Cheney. I thought this was a coin site?
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Well I certainly am more enthusiastic about the coin having a missile on it than a waste of a design like the 10th anniversary of 9/11 coin! This coin was a slap in the face to all those who died at the hand of the terrorists.
All we got was a pacifistic design which had no relationship to the horror of the lives that were lost. If people do not have a reminder of the horrors of war, history proves the horror comes back to haunt.

In a thread I took a pic of Pearl Harbor commemoratives and they all featured some sort of war scene. The 9/11 coin was a pacifist piece of junk catering to political correctness. There should have been a flaming twin towers and the words "Never Forget" as in the spirit of the Pearl Harbor coins.

We have become too politically (IN)correct. The world, and our own people, need reminding that our freedoms are not free - and never have been. We need to put out a message that Americans will fight to the death with superior weapons to keep ourselves free. I'm all for the missile on the coin and know it fits in great with the theme. History has proven over and over that, unfortunately, there will always be those war mongers who want no peace and the elimination of these rats by force is the only thing that keeps the peace. THIS is how our Army serves in peace - by making sure anti-Americans know they will have trouble (if the leaders of our country are American enough) if they try to take our freedoms.

Personally I would like to see more coins made with designs that call a spade a spade.
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Great idea, basebal! How about coins depicting those people, groups, and/or corporations who profit from war? We can refer to the coins as the "War Profiteers" series! How about it, congress? Dick Cheney and Halliburten can have their own coin, too!


I didnt even want to bring politics into this at all other than to mention the sacrifice made by the men and women in uniform and the significant historical events the coins represent.

But it sure sounds like you would prefer the Osama Bin Laden or Al-Quiada series instead
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