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jarubla
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 Posted 06/06/2012  11:43 am Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jarubla to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Howdy folks,

Had a good read this morning on Trade Dollars, thought I would share

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...icleId=25293

Thank you,
Jay

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 Posted 06/06/2012  12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for sharing. That was an Interesting read.
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Question: since Trade and Morgan dollars were being minted simultaneously at San Francisco and Carson City (and Philadelphia if you count the Proofs), are there any documented mix-ups in the planchets? The Trade Dollar weighed 420 versus the Morgan at 412.5 grains. The possibility was there, but has anybody heard of an "off-planchet" dollar/trade dollar muddle?
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come to mention it, oih82w8, that makes two of us that would like to know.
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 Posted 06/06/2012  9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be tough to tell with only a .5 gram difference. They would need to be in AU or better to tell.
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 Posted 06/06/2012  9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's cool thanks jarubla.

oih82e8 how many tenths of a gram would 7.5 grains be?

I just checked .485992 Grams. Almost 2%

I think the weight difference would be with in the margin of error.
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 Posted 06/07/2012  08:35 am  Show Profile Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was one of those "I wonder" questions, you know the kind you think about when your Internet connect is broken for one reason or another.

"These are the kind of things I think about when I'm sitting home alone and the power goes out."

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Tolerances on silver coins were very tight and on both the dollar and trade dollar the tolerance was only .097 grams or 1.5 grains so the half gram difference in weight between the two is great enough that weighing the coins would most likely be able to identify a wrong planchet error.

A trade dollar on a Morgan dollar blank would be an impossibility. A Morgan on a trade dollar planchet could be possible but highly unlikely. Why? Because there is no overlap in their production. Coinage of business strike trade dollars was ended by Treasury Secretary Sherman's order on Feb 22 1878. Morgan dollar dies, and most likely planchets, were not ready until March 11th and the first pieces were not coined until March 13th (In Philadelphia, coining at San Francisco and Carson City would not occur until even later). So there were no light weigh planchets available before the end of the trade dollars, and there would have been ample time for rounding up and remelting any left over thrade dollar planchets before coinage of the Morgans began. About the only place you might find a trade dollar on a Morgan planchet would be on the 1879 to 1885 proofs. Especially the 84 and 85. Would they have run a special batch of heavier blanks just to make the proofs? The mintages for the 79 - 83 were small but large enough they probably would. But what about the 84 and 85? These were made AFTER the Trade dollar was discontinued and would they go to the trouble of making just ten heavy planchets in 1884 and five in 1885? Or would they just use Morgan blanks? I don't know, and I don't know if the weights of the known 84 and 85 trades are listed anywhere. (Possibly Breen encyclopedia but I doubt it.) On the other hand making the planchets might not have been that difficult. Just stop the rolling of a silver strip a pass or two early.
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 Posted 06/10/2012  8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very intersting article indeed, thanks for sharing.

A bit of trivia about the Trade dolar is that it is one of the most counterfeited series of U. S. coinage so you had better know what to look for when buying a raw one or you can easily get taken. They are even stamping them with fake chop marks now.

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