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Gil-galad
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Diocletian AE Follis. London mint, ca 298-300 AD. IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, laureate & cuirassed bust right / GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, holding patera in extended right hand & cradling cornucopiae in left arm. No mintmark. RIC VI London 6A.
AE Follis, 10.0g, 28.18mm
This is a coin that Jamesicus gave me. It's a really nice coin in hand. It's a lot thicker than I expected at a whopping 10g. Heavy for it's size. There is also a trace amount of silver wash on the reverse. You can barely see it from the photo. A little better in hand.
I wonder. Would this coin be considered a pre-reform Follis. Since it's 28.18mm and 10g.
This is my very first Diocletian coin, as well as my first Londinium mint coin.
A very big thanks to Jamesicus!!
"We have destroyed three hundred and twenty thousand Goths, we have sunk two thousand ships. The rivers are covered over with their shields, all the banks are buried under their swords and their spears." - Historia Augusta Coin Photo Gallery - Roman Imperial GridAncient Coins: 116, Roman Emperors: 68, Roman Provincial: 4, Byzantine: 3, Islamic: 2, Judean: 5, Chinese: 5 |
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Tha's av ery nice Follis of Diocletian. Large and heavy to boot. Jamesicus gave you a nice gift. Congrats.
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Jamesicus is a gent  This would be early post-reform. Diocletian reformed in 295-296AD. Britain was still under the control of Allectus when it happened so London would have been minting much smaller coins until Constantius marched into town. Your coin looks like RIC VI London 6a and would have been made from about 300AD. The follis or nummus started out as a coin of 28-30mm (10g) but within 50 years was a thin, little, shadow of its former self measuring around 16-17mm (4g). Warning - The coins of London and the Tetrarchy are quite addictive! My eBay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/bobbyhelmet/m.htmlIn 423 AD Honorius, Emperor of the West, banned the wearing of pants in Rome!
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07/20/2012 4:35 pm
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That's a beauty a very nice gift.
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A freebie is an awesome addition ... => you should try and pay it forward to somebody else (new potential coin dude?) ... one of my best friends collects stamps (yah, I know ... but I like him anyway) ... well, his kid is semi-interested in coins (because of me) ... so whenever possible, I toss him a couple of my spares => it is so awesome to see just how excited they get to have a new addition to their "newbie" collection ... ... I'm just sayin'  Edited by stevex6
07/20/2012 5:33 pm
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Pre reform coins are radiates we also call antoniniani. The follis was what made the reform so they are all post reform. There are post reform radiates that were not antoniniani so you generally see the terms pre and post applied just to the radiates which need to be separated. There were several weight standards changes in the early days but most of the follis differences were weight and thickness rather than diameter until after Diocletian retired and the things shrank quickly. This is a really nice one.
I do not take PayPal but I like to trade coins. e-mail me if interested.
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=> you should try and pay it forward to somebody else (new potential coin dude?) For now, this coin is becoming a permanent fixture in my collection. Not only does it fill the slot, it's a nice coin and was a great gift. One I will remember. I have a small handful of coins that I'm saving up to give to others one day. For the purpose of promoting this hobby, and it is nice to give as well. As far as all my coins are concerned, one day I'm going to give them all away. None of them are going to my family or people that know very little about them. That's how I feel about it right now, anyways. That day could be very far away as I probably have many years ahead. By time then, if I keep at it I will have a lot of coins to give away. I do understand giving coins away is important. I received my very first coin from JW as it fueled my interest to start collecting ancient coins. I've received two coins from JW and one from Jamesicus which makes a total of three coins. I don't go around looking for free coins although I enjoy receiving the coins and they are very much appreciated! Quote:
Pre reform coins are radiates we also call antoniniani. I'm beginning to understand the reforms based on information you just said and what I have read. Although, I have read various seller attributions stating that the large Follis are pre-reform as far as Follis are concerned. Sounds like they were wrong, apparently? At first it made sense to me because of the major weight differences. Very large to AE3 size over time. Was this reform also when Diocletian phased out Roman Provincial coinage?
"We have destroyed three hundred and twenty thousand Goths, we have sunk two thousand ships. The rivers are covered over with their shields, all the banks are buried under their swords and their spears." - Historia Augusta Coin Photo Gallery - Roman Imperial GridAncient Coins: 116, Roman Emperors: 68, Roman Provincial: 4, Byzantine: 3, Islamic: 2, Judean: 5, Chinese: 5 |
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Gil-gilad => awesome coin ... and I love to hear that you're gonna be ready to share (recruit) when the time comes ... Ummm, but wait a minute => the thought of jwh giving coins away, "for free", totally destroys the whole Lex Luther image! => great ... now I have some sort of twisted, yet reformed, ancient Ebenezer Scrooge type of thingy goin' on in my head ... man, I give up trying to read that wiley ol' fart!!  => regardles, Gil-galad ... that is a very nice coin and a very gracious gift from Jamesicus (congrats) |
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Now it's Cratchet and Scrooge? Man, I'll never keep all my personalities straight.
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yah, apparently, eh? ... and I think it's kinda funny, because currently we each have three alter egos:
jwharper => Bing Crosby, Lex Luther and Ebenezer Scrooge!!
... but even more absurb than that, is:
stevex6 => Jerry Lewis, Superman and Bob Cratchet!!
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Gil-galad ... curious?
were you going to do a SMACKDOWN #4?
=> I am leaving for a few weeks on Sunday morning ... good luck, either way (didn't mean to hi-jack your thread ... I'm kinda like that ... my bad)
... cheers and good night (I'm going-out to dinner with my babe)
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Gil-galad wrote: Quote:
Diocletian AE Follis. London mint, ca 298-300 AD. IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG, laureate & cuirassed bust right / GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI, Genius standing left, holding patera in extended right hand & cradling cornucopiae in left arm. No mintmark. RIC VI London 6A.
AE Follis, 10.0g, 28.18mm .......... There is also a trace amount of silver wash on the reverse. You can barely see it from the photo .......... Here are old obverse and reverse photos that I found of this coin that shows the traces of silver that you refer to:   Feel free to download and save them if you wish. James |
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Personally, I think I would like Lex Luthor the best. lol Quote:
Lex Luthor! The greatest criminal mind of our time! "We have destroyed three hundred and twenty thousand Goths, we have sunk two thousand ships. The rivers are covered over with their shields, all the banks are buried under their swords and their spears." - Historia Augusta Coin Photo Gallery - Roman Imperial GridAncient Coins: 116, Roman Emperors: 68, Roman Provincial: 4, Byzantine: 3, Islamic: 2, Judean: 5, Chinese: 5 |
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Here are old obverse and reverse photos that I found of this coin that shows the traces of silver that you refer to: Very nice old images. It looks like there was more silver wash on the coin at that time, or it just shows more in that photo or both. lol
"We have destroyed three hundred and twenty thousand Goths, we have sunk two thousand ships. The rivers are covered over with their shields, all the banks are buried under their swords and their spears." - Historia Augusta Coin Photo Gallery - Roman Imperial GridAncient Coins: 116, Roman Emperors: 68, Roman Provincial: 4, Byzantine: 3, Islamic: 2, Judean: 5, Chinese: 5 |
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Gil-galad ... curious?
were you going to do a SMACKDOWN #4? Oh yeah, I'm definitely planning on it. Now I'm in the thinking stage about what I'm going to do. I'm staying with the basic format you set up for it. I've been fairly busy all day and of course was reading about my new coin and doing research about it. Have a good time going out tonight!
"We have destroyed three hundred and twenty thousand Goths, we have sunk two thousand ships. The rivers are covered over with their shields, all the banks are buried under their swords and their spears." - Historia Augusta Coin Photo Gallery - Roman Imperial GridAncient Coins: 116, Roman Emperors: 68, Roman Provincial: 4, Byzantine: 3, Islamic: 2, Judean: 5, Chinese: 5 |
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