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Coinguy1000
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What would an estimate be on This 1875S Trade?
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Have you weighed this coin? I am skeptical of authenticity. The reverse letters appear crude and the denticle spacing non-uniform. Compare with this PCGS example.  So many coins, so little time ...
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On my scale that only goes to the whole gram it says it is 27 grams
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I would say that it is VF35, if it is real. It has been widely stated that U.S. Trade Dollars should be purchased slabbed by a reputable Third Party Grader (ANACS, NGC, PCGS) to be certain on authenticity. There are MANY Chinese fakes out there in "circulation". The denticles alternate between thick and thin on the reverse under "Trade Dollar", especially at 6 o'clock. oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait
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Edited by oih82w8
09/13/2012 1:38 pm
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United States
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See if it sticks to a magnet...
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United States
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Ho it does not stick to a magnet.
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 w/ SeatedNut, denticles looks suspicious.
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I have no reason for it to be a counterfeit because I bought it from a reputable coin dealer who had another one listed as a fake.
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Denticles don't like right to me either.....keep in mind many reputable dealers have been tricked by these as some are darn near perfect copies....including PCGS. |
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The denticles are also raising some serious red flags for me as they are not evenly sized. All genuine Trade Dollars have evenly-sized denticles and there are no documented exceptions.
Can we have a picture of the edge reeding? Is there any portion of the edge reeding that overlaps?
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I suspect this coin is a counterfeit.  Quote:
The reverse letters appear crude and the denticle spacing non-uniform. I agree. These are a huge red flag! Also the arrow heads on the reverse (usually very defined and sharp) are blunted and indistinct on this coin. I also do not like the coloring/cast color but that may be the photography. My 1875 S is a little worn so I will not show it but my 1876 S is pretty sharp. It has the same 1st obverse and 1st reverse as your 1875S so the comparison is accurate. Compare if you wish. 1876 S Trade Dollar  I also noticed your coin's Obverse characteristics are mixed. Liberty's hand (on the 1st obverse) has 3 fingers; yours has 4 (like the 2nd Obverse). BUT, the LIBERTY scroll tips point left (like 1st Obverse) not to the right (like 2nd Obverse). Obviously not correct and indicative of a counterfeit.   Edited by Moe145
09/13/2012 4:06 pm
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Dealers, even reputable ones, by nature have to be generalists. Having to know a little about a lot of different coins makes it difficult to ever become an expert on any of them. Some dealers specialize, of course, and they're considered experts in that field.
Your dealer may have acquired these coins from another dealer whom he trusted, and as such just carried the representations over to his own sales. Not relevant either way - I do not trust the look of the denticles, nor the look of the reverse lettering.
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moe145-
are you including the thumb as the 4th finger? because if you aren't then it only has 3 fingers.
And what do you mean by the denticles?
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I have seen many counterfeit Trade Dollars and actually did quite a bit of research on them before I purchased the one I had in my 7070 album. I have to say that I agree with everyone else on this one, the denticles should be uniform in spacing and this one is throwing all all kinds of red flags. It just doesn't look right to me and I am suspecting that this coin is a counterfeit. Most of them that was made to circulate with the originals will not stick to a magnet and allot of them are even made of silver but that doesn't make them real. Quote:
And what do you mean by the denticles? the denticles are the teeth looking things that goes all around the Obverse and reverse of the coin. The spacing and size of them should be uniform on authentic coins and that is not the case with yours. Besides that the design looks off to me also and I am pretty sure it is not authentic |
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Since you are looking at Trade Dollars, don't assume just because it has a chop mark that it is genuine. Chop marks are the Chinese characters punched into many of the Trade Dollars. The chops signify that the coin reached China for circulation.  Member of the ANA and Flyin' Club. IHC specialist. |
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yes the chop marks have been copied also because they found out the ones with chop marks weren't being scrutinized less and just considered authentic if they were on the coin
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