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Canadian large cent errors - 1859 and 1896

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 Posted 11/29/2008  6:45 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Here are two interesting pieces, the 1896 I've already sold and the 1859 will be sold in about 5 days.

Both have interesting errors in the wreath.

The 1896 has an extra feature on the left side that appears to connect 3 leaves.

The 1859 has missing segments in the in and some "floating leaves" due to missing stems.

Has anyone come across similar errors?














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 Posted 11/30/2008  01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow more varieties of the 1859 , I have 5 already, the missing vine is very distinct . I will have to look through my extra 59s and take a closer look.
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 Posted 11/30/2008  01:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I purchased it, the dealer actually had two with the same exact errors (same die I guess). The other was a scratched up VF details, so I didn't even bother considering the asking price was $25.
Which varieties do you have?
A double punched 5 by any chance?
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 Posted 12/04/2008  02:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1896 looks like a die crack...nice!



I'm unsure on the 1859 Any ideas?
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 Posted 12/04/2008  08:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got to think that these were normal in the course of things. I have an 1858 with a similar die crack and it also has the missing vines.
Pics are not that good, I will try to get better ones.
You can see the crack on the 'C' in VICTORIA.






On this you can see the missing vines

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 Posted 12/04/2008  1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting... that rules out the single die theory. What do you think is the cause? Grease fill?
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Yes, very interesting to see that 1858 cent!
Comparing the 1858 to 1859, do I see breaks in the vines at similar places, or even some further erosion for 1859?
So it might not be an individual die that's filled with dirt, but it could be the same damaged hub used to make reverse dies for both years. The vines strike me as a feature easily prone to damage as the hub is pressed against a softer steel blank in die making. But I'm usually checking the date on 1859 cents, and not the vines--is this common?
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 Posted 12/05/2008  3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The one I posted was the first I have ever come across (the dealer I purchased it from actually had 2 of them in different conditions).
The only other non-listed varieties for 1859 I've seen is a double punched 5 with a normal 9 and a doubled T in CENT.
If anyone out there has a few dozen or more 1859's... they might be able to answer the rarity question.
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I have not read about the double punched 5. It would be cool to see a pic, my books don't show that one either.
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 Posted 12/05/2008  5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found one of my old pics of that date. I had e-mailed someone from allexperts, who then forwarded me to an old website that mentions the double punched 5 variety, but there were not any pics.

The 5 is an interesting double punch that shows on the right and left sides of the numeral, as well as at the top.

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That's a nice repunch! I think I see some doubling on the upper loop of the 9 as well.
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 Posted 12/05/2008  9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea there is that slight trace in the 9. Didn't think much of it though. That particular coin was a VF, maybe gVF and sold for $28. The one with missing segments went for $61. Not bad in my opinion. =)
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Hey, just got another 1859, and wouldn't you know it... the same errors! If it's fairly common, then why is there no mention of it in any major publication?

This one also looks to be from a particularly worn die, and you can see little die cracks and extra "blobs" and features all over it.









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 Posted 12/08/2008  7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've checked the few large cents that I have. Most have errors in the vines and die cracks also. Seems like this is normal for these. Any body else check theirs?
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 Posted 12/08/2008  9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea, it is quite common. How can it be that it has been largely overlooked? Hmm.....
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