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Irish James II 1690 "Gun Money" Crown - Fake?

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 Posted 07/28/2011  09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add historybuff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you soaked it in acetone, some of the "crud" should loosen and maybe come off on its own. If that crown was mine, I would use a product called "Blue Ribbon" on it to loosen the crud, then VERY GENTLY, use a wooden toothpick to "encourage" more removal of the residue. "Blue Ribbon" leaves a slight film of protectant on the surface, so if intent was to get it slabbed, it would need to be removed with acetone. I like the protectant as it seems to inhibit further deterioration of the basic coin by rust or corrosion.
I don't do it and don't recommend it, but some "cons" will totally strip a coin like this, then recolor it in an attempt to pass it off as better than it really is. Just like anything else, if there is a buck to be made, someone will do it.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  10:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add historybuff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just for information sake, this Irish Gun Money has a real neat history behind it. I have completed a demomination type set (crown, half-crown, shilling and six-pence).
I just submitted a paper to ANA about the history of this money. Don't know IF or WHEN it will be published in the NUMISMATIST, but I sure had a good time trying to find information about these coins or tokens.
In about two months, I am going to the Valley of Boyne in Ireland to see the battleground where William of Orange defeated his father-in-law (James II) in battle. Since James II never regained the throne of England, these coins were never redeemed for silver, as had been promised. All Irish Gun Money except the crown had month and year of minting on the coin as a way interest could be calculated and redemption could be accomplished in an orderly manner.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WONDERFUL! Congrats on the article; I wish you the best!

I'm not in any rush to resell this one; I kinda like it the way it is. I would probably use Verdi-Care or acetone if I was going to try to lose some of the crud.

So, you're begging for it!


Post up some pictures of your set! =) I'd love to see it!
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 Posted 07/30/2011  2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add historybuff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope you can see what I have as a type set of Irish Gun Money. I made no attempt to keep the images the sixe of the actual token, just images for you to see.
Unless it is something unusual, I have this set complete.

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 Posted 08/01/2011  02:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's awesome! What a great collection!

It's fascinating to watch the devices have elements copied around the world during the same period (or were copied from, rather) ... coins are such a "stylish" piece of art. =)

Great set! Thanks for sharing =)
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 Posted 02/12/2012  03:56 am  Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Williams army camped about 3 miles from where I live on his way down to meet James. An excavation during a road building project uncovered two bodies thought to have been two of William's soldiers - or more likely hangers-on.

I've often though it might be worth while metal detecting on my land (I own some) but never got round to it.

Interesting area of numismatics tho...
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 Posted 02/12/2012  05:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bacchus2: Might be worth hiring a detector. Much more valuable may be your detailed knowledge of the site.
May also worth a visit to your local museum. If relevent information exists, it would almost certain that they have it.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add worldwise antiquities to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi
Just like to say looking at this coin,it looks genuine,but I understand as to why you may think it is a forgery/fake. The actual issue of this coin is not a rare type so I ask myself why make a copy of a poor issue type it wont make any illegal monies. also by looking closely it seems to have had a patination that looks like someone has tried to clean of ,this will give the appearance of a pitted surface.

Regards
Mike
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 Posted 02/14/2012  5:53 pm  Show Profile Check colonialjohn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Show me the EDGE.
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