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Can they be authentic?
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Indeed. Nice specimens. Most likely authentic. If not (which I don't believe), they would most likely be contemporary (of the period) counterfeits. I can see the edge inscriptions on your specimens.
The first specimen is a D&H 50, Warwickshire Conder, around VF+; "Hardy's Boy and Hedgehogs Shield Birmingham Halfpenny 1793". Edge inscription reads "CURRENT EVERY WHERE".
Had the edge inscription read instead "PAYABLE AT CLOUGHER OR IN DUBLIN" it would be a D&H-50a instead.
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The second specimen is a D&H 59, Warwickshire Conder, around Fine; "Pro Bono Publico Birmingham Halfpenny 1794". Edge inscription reads "CURRENT EVERY WHERE".
- Cheetah
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04/10/2011 12:35 am
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Japan
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thanks for good news... - that these tokens' 'citizenship' in my hedgehog collection can (hopefully) be left effective...
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United States
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you're welcome
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04/10/2011 04:34 am
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United States
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Most eye-appealing, these early, copper tokens. The creative design that abounds in this series never ceases to amaze me. There's a veritable menagerie to be had, and now a hedgehog, no less! The U.S. Hard Times token series, which began appearing forty-plus years later, generally pales in comparison to these earlier British issues. Wish I may that more of my earlier American issues were as choice as these Conders remain ...
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United States
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Exo...
Conders are quite inexpensive to be had. A large variety of them, in VERY FINE or greater grade, can be readily obtained for under $40 a piece.
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Such a modern grammar mistake on an old coin. Is that how it should be?
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Such a modern grammar mistake on an old coin. Is that how it should be? Here's an image of one from my cabinet:  I wouldn't necessarily infer that such a grammatical "mistake" would be 'modern', considering that contemporary English of the time did not have as many standardized rules.
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04/11/2011 6:28 pm
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Australia
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I really like Conders: please keep the pics coming ...
All of the above are beautiful pieces, and excellent photography ...
"the only people who are not confused are those who are not paying attention."
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United States
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Edited by Roper
04/27/2011 10:11 pm
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United States
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The above has a reeded edge
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Roper, yours is what is usually called a "gaming token", made out of brass, to resemble the then current "spade" pattern guinea, which was a gold coin of about 8.4 grams.
If you read the legend on yours, you'll that it parodies the legend on the genuine article. This was intended to be a sufficient difference, so that manufacturers of tokens could avoid being charged with "coining" (or counterfeiting, if you prefer). Coining carried the death penalty in England upto 1832, and the last hanging for coining was in 1829.
"the only people who are not confused are those who are not paying attention."
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This was intended to be a sufficient difference, so that manufacturers of tokens could avoid being charged with "coining" (or counterfeiting, if you prefer). Coining carried the death penalty in England upto 1832, and the last hanging for coining was in 1829. Evasions... a gigantic and enjoyable subset of English numismatics. And still quite reasonable to pursue, too.
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