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Anyone seen an 1883 No Cents Liberty Like this one?

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Danester
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 Posted 07/01/2011  12:09 am Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I've had this 1883 No Cents Liberty nickel in my collection for 20+ years. The the upper serif of the "1" shows doubling, and from my investigation it is an unlisted RPD.

This die stage has a light die crack running from the first star to the tip of Liberty's neck, extending down to the base of the "1", on to the bottom of the first "8", over to the second "8" and out to the rim. The other end of the die crack goes through the first star and out to the rim. There are three die chips along this die crack - one on the right side of the first star, one at the left side of the base of "1", and one that looks like a decimal point between the "1" and first "8", making the date look like "1.883".

As I mentioned, I've had this coin in my collection for over 20 years, and have only encountered one other lower grade example of this die variety. It is possible the die crack turned into a full blown rim cud fairly early and the die was pulled from production - possibly making it very rare.

Has anyone encountered this die variety, and interesting die stage before?







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 Posted 07/01/2011  10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt the crack at star 1 would have developed much greater. The much heavier crack from the rim through stars 5 and 6 would be more likely to be the reason for the die being retired. It isn't too surprising that you may not have seen many of these. There were probably over two hundred obverse dies used for this issue. You may have also seen this die several times but in an earlier state before the crack and chips developed. The only way to really know would be see several more, preferably in earlier and later states to determine how the cracks and chips developed.

Even if the die variety does turn out to be rare, it would need a significant base of collectors looking for it before it would develop much of a premium. Right now the number of rabid V nickel variety collectors is small and they can still cherrypick successfully.
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 Posted 07/01/2011  10:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I pulled mine out and took a better look. I knew it had cracks but upon closer inspection found slight doubling on the 1 at the same location. My cracks are different though leading me to think its a different die than yours.

Here for comparison.















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 Posted 07/02/2011  11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I would say it is a different obv die. OK, that's two, one hundred and ninety eight plus to go.
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07/02/2011 11:39 am
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Now, this one you'll find now and then with consistent coin show cherrypicking. One thing about 1883 NC Liberty nickels is you'll always find a good supply of higher grade No Cents in dealer inventories.

When the "With Cents" went into production a lot of No Cents were saved - the thinking being they would become more valuable. Like the Buffalo nickel Type II the opposite has come true, and the 1883 With Cents types are now more valuable - about 3.8 times more in MS-63. The moral to this kind of story is to "zig when everyone else is zagging".

The same can be said concerning negative talk about collecting Liberty nickels. The No Cents is a good choice for new beginning Cherrypickers to start and concentrate on. You'll get lots of No Cents in hand and under the Loupe, and you'll find die varieties at most coin shows you attend. Don't get hung-up on what a die varierty is worth in dollars - think only in terms to rarity.

You'll make serial finds of some die varieties. However, the die variety starting this thread does not show-up very often. The one below is "findable" - Breen found it.

On one knows for sure how many obverse dies were used to mint the 5,474,300 No Cent Liberty nickels, but 200 is likely incorrect - that would be only about 27,370 coins per die. Buffalo and Jefferson Nickels average about 200,000 coins per die. The Liberty nickel with its new design was a vast improvement over the Shield nickel average die life - thought to be only about 20,000. A 100,000 ADL estimate for the Liberty nickel is probably conservative, and results in an estimate of 55 obverse dies for the 1883 No Cent Liberty nickel.


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 Posted 07/02/2011  4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This 1883 No Cents Liberty nickel is similar to Breen 2533 but different. The "1" in the date has doubling of both upper and lower serifs, plus a base of an extra 1 crosses the lower middle of 1. Both "8"s also show doubling. I'm not sure if this one is listed in Flynn's Book book. If anyone knows let me know.

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07/02/2011 4:57 pm
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Very interesting, Danester.

This is exactly why I tell newbies not to focus on "the list", but the coin. Sure, be aware of what's known, but don't limit yourself to it. New discoveries are just waiting for someone to come along without "the list".
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 Posted 07/02/2011  5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is my only 1883 no cent. It's different only 197 to go.

The date is clean. There is a die crack from rim to rim through the 6th star, Liberty, and star # 7.







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 Posted 07/06/2011  8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of my favorites. I've found a few of these that were most mostly Mint State and AU. If anyone knows if this is listed somewhere let me know. I dance to the beat of my own drum when it comes to finding 1883 No Cent Liberty nickels varieties.

This variety has a light remnant of a double punch of the lower portion of a "1", between the "1" and the first "8". When looking for this one rotate the coin under your loupe and the reflected light will make the double punching jump out.

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07/06/2011 8:18 pm
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I based my die estimate on the die life of the late Shield nickels which was about 23,000 coins per die pair. (the early ones were only about 15,000 per die pair.) there may have been some improvement with the new design and slightly larger size but I doubt if it would that much of and increase from the 23,000 of the 1883 shield to the 1883 V nickel.
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 Posted 08/25/2011  3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bishftl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my 83 cracks obv/rev. Would post better photos if I had better camera.







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 Posted 08/28/2011  01:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's mine! Looks like early die breaks around most of the stars, and a crack through the date:
















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Is there an on line site for V nickels varieties w/ pics?
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Is there an on line site for V nickels varieties w/ pics?


I am a little late in this thread, primarily doing some old thread searching for a potential 1883 5C NC RPD.

Here is one that I have bookmarked;

http://www.libertynickels.org/variety.php?
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Not only a nice coin, but nice pictures also!
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