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Sussex Northiam 1794 Halfpenny Info Help If Possible Please

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Does anybody have any information on the Sussex Northiam Halfpenny? I am hoping to get a token book very soon but am struggling to find any information without one. There is nothing on this token on Numista.com and the ones I have found online have been £160 + with exception to 1 or 2 for around £40.
Is there any difference between the tokens or is it purely on their grades? Also what is its rarety?
Any information would be great

I have just picked this one up for a relatively decent price so am not concerned that I have paid too much, just confused as to why some are so expensive!

Thanks in advance and wishing you all a Happy Christmas
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DH Sussex 35 if the edge states PAYABLE AT G GILBERTS NORTHIAM, DH Sussex 35a if edge is plain.

Diesinker Wyon manufacturer Lutwyche. 2cwt struck ( 10,000 approx ). Listed by Bell as common. Galata gives fairly low prices 2010. No rarity given by DH.

Arms are of the Gilbert family.

Sorry, that's all I have.

I have four token books ( so far ) covering this era.

1. The Provincial Token coinage of the Eighteenth Century
Dalton & Hamer 1910, reprinted 1967.

Probably the clearest listings of all my catalogues. Good line drawings. Now regarded as incomplete. Expensive.

2. The Token Book, by Galata 2010.

Good illustrations, if a little small. Good listings but not always easy to follow. Dont pay the hundreds asked on Amazon. Can be found for less than £100 by looking around.

3. 6 volume set by R C Bell, various publishers 1960's to 70's

Illustrations vary from poor in the first volume, to quite good later on. Broken down into logical clear sections. Some good social info. Expect to pay around £100+ to get them all. They are mostly still around but you might have to wait to get one.

Volume 1: Commercial Coins 1787 - 1804 seems to cover the majority of what you collect.

4. An Arrangement of Provincial Tokens ......
James Conder 1798, modern reprint.

No illustrations. Interesting as a history piece but far from complete. Dont start with this one even though it is cheap, as it is not great.

I have the Atkins book on the way.

If you only want one book I advise to go for either DH or Galata. If I could only have one, I would take DH.

Hope this summary helps.
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 Posted 12/21/2018  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jadey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beautiful specimen.

I'm personally intrigued by the saying "Unanimity is the Bond of Society". I googled it, and it led me to The Social Contract. Jean Jacques Rousseau (1762). Rousseau seems to be making that very argument 30 years prior.


Quote:
But when the social bond begins to be relaxed and the State to grow weak, when particular interests begin to make themselves felt and the smaller societies to exercise an influence over the larger, the common interest changes and finds opponents: opinion is no longer unanimous; the general will ceases to be the will of all; contradictory views and debates arise; and the best advice is not taken without question.


I had never heard that phrase before, so I just found that interesting.
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The onlything I can say is that this would be a great addition to my modest Conder collection.
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Thank you for your help. I picked it up for £37 so can't grumble! It is a beautiful looking Token.
Thanks for the book suggestions. I have done loads of searching but there are so many and different volumes and books with huge price tags, it's fried my mind working out which to get. I will go with your suggestions thanks!
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Dalton & Hamer is available as a free download from a number of sources. I think mine came from
http://provincialtokencoinage.weebly.com/
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Amazing!! Thanks
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One other book worth mentioning, often available on the cheap, published in London, so copies may actually be not to hard to find in the U.K. - British Tokens and Their Values edited by Peter Seaby and Monica Bussell, ISBN 0 900652 65 9.
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I actually ordered that last night. Found a second hand copy for about £12
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