| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
national dealer
Pillar Of The Community
USA
2724 Posts |
 Posted 10/24/2005 6:54 pm
|
The last quote is what I love best.
"Unless and until more light is shed on this situation, ANA members and the collecting public in general should seriously question whether they could continue to support the organization".
This quote is directed at the ousting of govenor Ostromecki. There are some hard facts quoted in her editorial about the "executive session". Seems as if many of the decisions made in the ANA are now being done behind closed doors.
The guest commentary written by Anthony Tumonis also questions the ANA about signing on for the Las Vegas show. His quote is "Sure the ANA is receiving a lot of money from this show's promoters, but that doesn't make it right".
Seems as if more and more people are unhappy with the ANA these days.
|
|
Send note to staff
|
|
How can I help support Coin Community?
|
|
crystalk64
Pillar Of The Community
USA
3147 Posts |
|
|
catman
Pillar Of The Community
USA
954 Posts |
|
|
Morgan Fred
Moderator
USA
2684 Posts |
Posted 10/24/2005 10:52 pm
|
ND, Terry, and catman, all you have said is true, even, sadly among the Boy Scouts of America in which I have devoted 52 years, an organization to which a higher purpose should take precedent. But, this is human nature with all the frailties of egos, personalities, and politics for which there seems no escape and around which the lowest common denominator seems to emerge rather than be submerged. I would hope that the full story at the ANA will eventually come out and the organization will return to the business of numismatics.
|
|
Send note to staff  |
|
|
national dealer
Pillar Of The Community
USA
2724 Posts |
Posted 10/25/2005 10:36 am
|
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred
will return to the business of numismatics.
This unfortunately is the business of numismatics. Collecting should focus on the individual, not the dollars. The fact (or by appearance) that the ANA has put its name up for sale disturbs me the most. As a business owner I fully understand that bottom line effects everything, but at some point, some things have to be more important.
Where is the education for kids?
Where is the mainstream attention?
With 30 some thousand members, the ANA seems to be lacking in general acceptance. Why? It has been publicly stated that 100 million people collect statehood quarters, so why is the membership only a fraction?
Personally, I cannot support any organization that has NO standards. Your word and integrity mean far more than "what" you can do. The ANA either directly or indirectly support the worst of the hobby.
They partner with the worlds largest flea market, yet do NOTHING about the fraud being committed on that site.
They partener with Whitman publishing to allow "grading standards" to change to meet the market. Not once recognizing the fact that these new standards are against their own.
They partner with Las Vegas, which is in no stretch of the imagine "not kid friendly".
It has been my experience that if you do not stand by your word, then your word means nothing.
|
| Send note to staff |
|
|
crystalk64
Pillar Of The Community
USA
3147 Posts |
Posted 10/25/2005 9:48 pm
|
Throughout my life my WORD has been my contract. If I say I will do something you can bet the farm on it. To me there is no stronger bond than the spoken word and a handshake. A little scribble on a piece of paper will, in the end, mean nothing if the people involved will not stand for their WORD! It just means a lawsuit!
I have raised Bobwhite Quail for years and years. Don't ask me why as I couldn't really tell you. Years and years ago, being an avid bird hunter, I developed a deep respect for that little bird and realized I didn't know squat about them so I decided to find out what they were all about and have been raising them ever since. Wasn't long my little hobby turned into a business and I made VERBAL committments summer after summer to folks wanting Bobwhite Quail each winter for various reasons. Some buy for food, others to train dogs, some to release and hunt, others release just to boost the wild birds in their repective area and I sell to other game breeders. I, for the last few years, have had a VERBAL CONTRACT with a hunting preserve to have the birds for call out when they want them and also supply birds to a company for a company outing every winter. They count on me so one way or another I have always managed to have the birds ready when they come to pick them up. Now this is NOT an over night deal as I start raising birds, incubating, hatching, feeding, watering, moving to various locations in May of each year. They require daily care and every thing Mother Nature can throw at you can devastate them. Then we have to contend with the predators year around. Why do I continue to do it? For the love of the quail and the fact I SAID I would do it! My word means more to me than any piece of paper ever will! Is it all worth it financially, probably NOT (you should see my feed bill) but I provide a much needed service and these birds are like coin collecting! Once it gets under your skin it sure is hard to quit!
|
Terry
SILENCE MUST BE HEARD |
| Send note to staff |
|
|
Morgan Fred
Moderator
USA
2684 Posts |
Posted 10/25/2005 11:37 pm
|
It has long been my experience and observation that changes in any organization are best accomplished from within rather than from the outside. The larger the organization, the more resistant to change and the more difficult. As one goes up the hierarchial ladder to high levels, a person's word means less and less since the quest for power becomes the goal rather than the interests of the members of the organization. This applies to politics, the Boy Scouts, and to the ANA.
The only means I see for instituting change and a new direction in the ANA would be a grass roots effort from the membership, i.e., election of new directors who would be more responsive to member concerns. This would mean that more persons would have to join the ANA rather than collectors boycotting the organization. And of course, the members would have to, at the least vote if not run for office themselves. In any instance, change will be glacial.
|
|
| Send note to staff |
|
|
Twentycent
Valued Member
USA
187 Posts |
Posted 10/26/2005 03:53 am
|
I'm a member of ANA. I'm not happy at all. I wonder how NGC feels about the ANA now. Is it worth paying the ANA for the endorsement?
Jerry
|
| Send note to staff |
|
|
national dealer
Pillar Of The Community
USA
2724 Posts |
Posted 10/26/2005 09:55 am
|
quote:
Originally posted by crystalk64
Throughout my life my WORD has been my contract.
There are several here on this forum that also understand this logic. That is what makes me so proud to be associated with all of you.
|
| Send note to staff |
|
|
SFDukie
Pillar Of The Community
USA
980 Posts |
Posted 11/01/2005 1:25 pm
|
Sometimes it seems random whether or not an organization such as the ANA does a "good" job or not. I am a member of several organizations which are illustrative of the "good, the bad, and the ugly". Several here have noted my comparison of AOPA (airplane owners and pilots association) with the ANA. AOPA is outstanding. They give a free six month subscription to flight training magazine-with abosolutely no "catch" (such as a need to cancel to avoid billing after that point) to student pilots. They support and recognize programs to get folks involved in aviation. They have a terrific website with state of the art weather info for members. They educate members on airspace changes (very important in teh post 9/11 world). They try to keep airports open (very important in this day and age when real estate developerws salivate over ant open land near cities). their magazine is well written fun and informative.
The ANA is almost in the "bad" category in my book-they do nothing substantive save for run their meeting and provide very, very minimal standards. Their sellout to ebay has been commented on here many, many times.
The ugly is the sierra club. I've been a member for many years, and they do lots of good work, have a good magazine, etc, but they all too often stray from what I feel their membership really wants-which is environmental education and advocacy-period. The politics of that organization is byzantine as well. But regarding board representation-they do a good job of having folks running for their board state who they are, what their goals are, etc.
Don
|
The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past.
William Faulkner |
| Send note to staff |
|
|
longnine009
Pillar Of The Community
USA
1246 Posts |
|
|
CiScO
Valued Member
USA
458 Posts |
Posted 11/02/2005 4:40 pm
|
Nope, did not receive CW. I keep my promises, when they eliminated their talk forum, many there swore to cancell their subscription. Well, I didn't cancell it, but I did let it "expire", besides, they all started to become same ole same ole, same advertisers, same crap--Once in awhile they would have an interesting article, but over all, I lost total interest in their rag..
|
Confucius say, "The best men are born wise. Next come those who grow wise by learning: then, learned, narrow minds. Narrow minds, without learning, are the lowest of the people. " |
Edited by CiScO - 11/02/2005 4:41 pm |
| Send note to staff |
|
|
Connecticoin
Valued Member
USA
89 Posts |
Posted 11/02/2005 10:10 pm
|
I'd like to see Beth require higher standards from Coin World advertisers. Many of them advertise raw coins below "sheet", which, of course, turn out to be overgraded, cleaned junk, or both.
|
| Send note to staff |
|
|
national dealer
Pillar Of The Community
USA
2724 Posts |
Posted 11/03/2005 07:12 am
|
quote:
Originally posted by Connecticoin
I'd like to see Beth require higher standards from Coin World advertisers.
I would settle for them enforcing the rules that they already have. Seems as if NO ONE is willing to enforce their own rules these days.
|
| Send note to staff |
|
| |
Topic |
|
Welcome guest, we're glad you're here but right now you cannot interact with other members. Register Now for Free and you can be posting in 5 minutes!
Topic Locked
