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Certainly Not a Confederate Coin, But What is It?

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Daniel J. Goevert
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Posted 11/15/2005  8:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message

Hello all:

One of my website readers sent me the following photos of a Confederate "coin", dated 1862. He said he found it in a northern Georgia cave, along with a few other artifacts.

Of course, it can't be a real Confederate coin, but it is interesting. Does anyone have an idea of this object's origin?




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Posted 11/15/2005  9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Don't have a clue but a twenty dollar coin back then was major money! Most tokens are for cents so this in my opinion makes it pretty unique. This sure wasn't made for the poor guy of the times. Thanks for posting the photo and hope we learn some more on this one.


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Don't know what you have there but there was a group called the Knights of the Golden Circle who stashed hoards of money, gold, silver and guns in caves around the south. Apparently, intended for the CSA to make a come back in later years.


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Posted 11/15/2005  11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

At first blush, I'd guess it was a stage prop for the movie Sahara, but it doesn't even come close.
http://www.csacurrency.com/csacoin/csa20dol.htm

My second guess is that it might be a cereal box fake coin like used to be stuffed in Wheaties or whatever back in the 1950s. What's it made from?

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Daniel J. Goevert
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Posted 11/16/2005  06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The item appears to be made of bronze or some copper-based alloy. The photos don't show it very well, but there are a couple of bluish-green corrosion spots on the reverse.


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Posted 11/16/2005  12:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

In 1867, Eureka produced a 10 dollar copper trade token, so the fact that this one is for $20 does not necessarily make it not authentic.


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I have seen simular "coins" at a few shows, and they sell in the $5 range. Not exactly common, but not rare. My suggestion would be to email Julian Leidman.

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Posted 11/16/2005  6:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks everyone for the feedback thus far.

ND, who is Julian Leidman?


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Posted 11/16/2005  9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RKKay to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J. Goevert

Thanks everyone for the feedback thus far.

ND, who is Julian Leidman?



Julian is a longtime dealer from Silver Springs, MD. Great guy. Here's a link to his website:

http://www.juliancoin.com/

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Posted 11/16/2005  10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

What size is it?


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quote:
Originally posted by RKKay
Julian is a longtime dealer from Silver Springs, MD.



Thanks RK,

I forget that everyone doesn't know Julian.

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Daniel J. Goevert
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Posted 11/17/2005  9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The diameter of the object is 1.248 inches or 3.175 cm and the thickness is .073 inches or .1905 cm


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Posted 11/18/2005  5:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Just an idea but maybe it's a magicians coin? Often times they used fake coins in their acts. They could be stock coins or personalized fake coins. And sometimes they threw pieces out to their fans. It's not hard to imagine a magician after the Civil War performing in the South with such coins.

Or perhaps it's a Spiel Marke or other maker of game counters. They often used the images of real coins on their counters.


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