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 Posted 11/10/2005  10:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add adobero1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
With the couple of threads recently about the Euro coins, I realized that I don't know much about them. I've only recently gotten interested in coins again after a 10 or 12 year hiatus. (that's how long it's taken me to recover financially from my first coin experiences! No, just kidding!) But, anyway, I realize that several European countries use Euros as a common currency, but...is the Euro roughly equivalent to one dollar? How many countries use them, and do they now use them exclusively? So, for example, are there no Italian Lira anymore? Are there 1/2 Euros, 1/4 Euros and so on? Are the designs the same on all countries' versions of the coins except for the name of the country? How does this work? My most recent World Coin Book is 1988! If anyone has time, I would appreciate any info.
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The Euro was adopted by the European Union in the late 90's. Each of the Euro member nations were granted permission to start striking the euro in 1999 even though the official release would be in 2002. So they were minted for 3 years, as they had to replace ALL coin and currency currently in circulation, in each member country. They must strike a one cent, Two Cent, five cent, ten cent, Twenty Cent, fifty cent, one dollar and a two dollar coin. Each country MUST use the same design on the obverse but are free to use their own design on the reverse (or vise versa as that has slipped my mind at the moment). Initially there were 15 member countries: Austria, the Netherlands, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Luxemburg, Belgium, Finland and Italy chose to adopt the euro. Great Britain remains with the pound but must accept the euro in transactions within their nation. Three satellite nations, so to speak, also went with the euro and those are Vatican City, Monacco and San Marino. Those three nations are allowed to produce very small quanities of coinage thus the value of their coinage has risen very rapidly. Most Vatican City coins (even the cents) are valued at $100 and up. Each country can also produce commemorative coinage and most are striking circulating commemorative $2 coins in addition to there regular silver issues. They may strike the silver and gold coins in denominations of there own choosing. Spain produces $12 euro coins while others may do $5, $10, $25 and even an $8 coin. France will do 1/4 euro commemoratives and have done other odd denominations such as 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 euro. Many of the euro nations will release their silver commemoratives at face value thru their banking or postal systems so it makes their silver a very attractive buy compared to our $33 to $35 commemoratives here. I started collecting the circulating coins in 2002 and after completing 5 or 6 Dansco albums for my family and friends I turned to the silver commemorative for the history, culture and of course, cheap silver. In the past four years I have built a very reliable network of friends and collectors in Europe who trade or sell the coins to me. I NEVER EVER turn down any euro offered so I receive a great number of duplicates and have started passing them on to collectors here in the states, at my cost, just to get my money back and to help other collectors get started with the euro.
When I started in 2002 the dollar was worth about 30 cents more, per dollar, than the euro. Now I must pay .20 to .25 more per dollar as the euro increased in value as the dollar slipped world wide. Still the silver is much cheaper per coin in uncirculated condition, or BU as the Europeans call it, than the proofs. A few of the countries charged outrageous prices for their coins so I have to limit myself to what I pick up there.
Some of the Euro nations do not use the one cent or Two Cent coins so they are struck and sold to collectors only and their value tends to rise quickly as well! Other nations are talking of dropping the small coins so a great number of collectors concentrate on the smaller denominations. I have a Finnish collector send me rolls of the one cent and Two Cent coins each year (almost) and just put them away. The 2002 coins reached $60 per roll before settling down a bit. Many of the commemoratives are made in very limited quanities and they too rise in value very quickly. One example would be the Austrian Niobium coins. They are bimetallic and the color of the Niobium can be controlled so we have seen a green core, blue core and a purple core coin in the last 3 years. These sell out very rapidly! The Netherlands have produced coins that have the entire face of the coin in multiple holograms and the design changes by tilting the coin!
Well I hope this helps you out a bit? If you are interested in any of my extras from time to time feel free to email or watch for my posts to sell. One thing is for certain, since I started collecting euro coinage, I have learned more European history than I was ever taught in school.

Oh, I might add that 10 more nations have joined the EU and, when they meet requirements, they too will be striking the euro for their respective nations. Probably 2 of them in 2006 or 2007 so we will be chasing a few new euro coins in the next year to year and a half! The other nations will follow but it will be a while!
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11/10/2005 11:11 pm
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 Posted 11/11/2005  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Terry:

What about the UK?

Will they go to the Euro? If so, do you think the Queen will be on the obverse?
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No! As a matter of fact the British Royal Mint and the British government have announced a competition for new designs for all their coinage so they are sticking with the Pound system. There is no danger of them switching to the euro any time in the near future and quite honestly, with their money being the top dog in the world, I never see them switching to the euro. Guess time will tell as it appears the Pound and Brittania is here to stay! I got no problems with that!
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 Posted 11/11/2005  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
adobero1, I started collecting the euro mainly because I was on an even keel with the rest of the world from the very start. While being in the states was my only draw back I knew the minute they were released in 2002 that there would be coins with 1999, 2000, 2001 and the new 2002 dates already to hit circulation and that ebay would be FULL of euro offerings. Well, as I said, after completing the albums, I made the switch, which was natural for me, to the silver commemoratives as I love silver coins and I had developed a good network of collectors all over Europe. Euro forums popped up pretty quick so I signed up there and found out quickly many European collectors were anxious to get their hands on our Statehood Quarters so trading was easy. As time passed I found other collectors who were after U.S. and Canada type coins so the trading has continued right up to now and I have one very nice silver euro collection. While I don't have them all, and never will, I still have a taste of every country, their history and culture that I did not know or have before. It has been educating and very rewarding and I don't see myself giving up this part of my collecting any time soon. Can't afford to now as I am in very deep, so to speak, and many of the coins have increased in value as some are very low mintage coins. Also you must keep in mind that I can, from many countries, get 4 or 5 silver commemoratives for the price on just one U.S. commemorative so there are a few positives involved with me continuing my hunt and as I stated the euro is worth more now than our greenback so it may have been a good decision on my part. As always, time will tell!
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 Posted 11/11/2005  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I stopped being intrested when they switched from ECU to EURO
Like with postage stamps around 1970 suddenly came proliferation

The pic I show is from a proof
Proofs are marqued qp
Of the non proofs there are 1 500 000 often being offered as rare [:0]


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 Posted 11/11/2005  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now ageka you can send that one to Indiana!!! While I collect the euro I am NOT locked in there and this coin would fit well into my world collection. What a fantastic coin! We don't see that kind of quality lurking around the coin shops over here. Well, quite honestly, Belguim can be a very tough find if it wasn't for other collectors in Europe who trade with me or ebay. None the less that is one beautiful coin you have there!!!
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 Posted 11/11/2005  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adobero1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmmm, had a reply posted, but had a problem! Here goes again.

Wow, thanks Terry for the in depth analysis of the Euro. I'm sure it was helpful to a lot of other forum members as well. A couple of follow up questions: When the date came for the Euro to officially replace the currency of a given country, were people then lined up at the banks to do an exchange, or does some of a country's original coinage still circulate? Was there a devaluation with such an exchange? Is the design on the different denominations the same(cent, 2 cent, 20 cent, 1 Euro, etc.)? Does the design change from year to year? Would it be possible to see a scan or pic of a Euro obverse? It sounds like you did well to get in on the ground floor. I'm sure it will be financially rewarding besides the reward of historical knowledge gained. Incidentally, I would like to be informed when you have some extras for sale.
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 Posted 11/11/2005  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by crystalk64

Now ageka you can send that one to Indiana!!! While I collect the euro I am NOT locked in there and this coin would fit well into my world collection. What a fantastic coin! We don't see that kind of quality lurking around the coin shops over here. Well, quite honestly, Belguim can be a very tough find if it wasn't for other collectors in Europe who trade with me or ebay. None the less that is one beautiful coin you have there!!!


Thank you very much Terry
Of that coin only 15 000 were minted in proof and I bought it two years back for only 4% over melt
For some or other reasons virtually all my proof belgian coins come from ebay germany
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 Posted 11/11/2005  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adobero
I think every country used a different approach
In belgium people could get a starters pack one month
before januari 1st ( It was the complete one cent to 2 euro pack )
And from midnight on the bankautomats started spewing out Eurobills
instead of coins
I seem to remember both coexisted for only 3 months
I recently found some bills ( worht 25$ ) and was told by my bank that only the national bank will still change them
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If I remember correctly each nation has set a time limit for the exchange to take place. If you didn't get your old coins and currency exchanged by that date you were screwed. Probably made it tough for those who had large amounts of savings kept right at home as they wouldn't want to take in to much at one time, now would they? (especially the criminal element). The coins that didn't get exchanged were demonitized so they are worthless except to the collecting community. Needless to say there are a lot of coins still floating around out there.
The exchange rate for some of the countries was astronomical. I don't remember the exact figures but can give you a few close examples. Belgium was 40.34 to one euro, Spain was 136.39 to one euro, Portugal was 200.43 to one euro, Italy was 1,936.27 lira to every euro and France was 6.56 franc to one every one euro. It was quite a shock to many residents of many of the EU nations to make the switch. Ageka you may correct me if my figures are wrong! It appears no nation made an even switch and many of them DID NOT want to give up the system they have know for years and years plus it was like losing part of their heritage and culture. My understanding is the young folks were more accepting than the middle-aged and senior citizens but none the less the euro was adopted.
I would suggest you just do a Euro search and you should come up with plenty of pictures or go to ebay, click on coins, click on Europe and type in Euro for a search. Plenty of photos out there. Now the silver euros might be a little more difficult to find photos but with a little luck you will see some of them.
I will post my extras in a few days, when the package arrives, so watch for it as many of them will be very economical I am sure. The new Finland circulating $2 commemorative will be in the bunch and they usually only cost me around $3.50 each. Welcome to the world of the EURO!
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 Posted 11/11/2005  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So ageka, Do you still have BOTH of those proofs and could one be for sale? Also would like to know more about it. Size, weight and "current value" Feel free to do a PM if you like. Sure is a great looking coin!
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quote:
Originally posted by crystalk64

So ageka, Do you still have BOTH of those proofs and could one be for sale? Also would like to know more about it. Size, weight and "current value" Feel free to do a PM if you like. Sure is a great looking coin!



I think there is a misunderstanding
I said I bought it two years ago not that I have it twice
It is 900 gold 100 copper 17.27 gram which should make it exact half an ounce like all other 50 ECU coins
The best belgian site is down
The only one remaining is attached

http://www.muntslag.be/index.html
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 Posted 11/11/2005  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry it is one of these sites that only get homepage
Click on king Boudewijn left and then scroll down to the 50 ecu coins and click there again
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The only one on sale right now is 40% over melt which is
I think much to much for a beautifull coin that is not
loved that much

http://cgi.ebay.de/Belgium-1987-50-...cmdZViewItem
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My understanding is the young folks were more accepting than the middle-aged and senior citizens but none the less the euro was adopted.


We had no choice but to accept the euro
I see a lot of older people that after 4 years still
give their purse to the bakery or butcher or whomever and tell
him to fish out any exact amount he needs
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