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need info on two rounds or tokens | Xenios Zeus and Morocco

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the first is a very beautiful Greek (i think) medal or token anyone have a clue?

the second is not that nice but it is unknown to me



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don't know much about invisible coins gary
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Picture or detailed description please?
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sorry I dont have a clue how thast happened but I would give you a 1 OZ 1933 ST if you could figure it out without going to this link lol
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 Posted 05/23/2008  1:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know anything about the Greek medal, but the coin with Arabic inscriptions is a coin from Morocco: 10 mazunas Y#17.1, issued during the reign of king Abd-al-Aziz (AH1311-1326 or 1894-1908). The year, AH1320 corresponds with 1902.
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thanks Bart
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Those are very beautiful coins. The second one is beautiful.. the tone is gorgeous!
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yea it looks almost like they was looking at me when they ingraved it lol
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Ya always CRACK me up Gary!
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The only thing I can say about the Greek token is that the portrait is of Zeus, the Greek mythological god- so the writing must be in reference to him. I've seen Greek god tokens but none that look like this one.
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The Greek medal is written in a script designed to look archaic.

The obverse says "Xenios Zeus E.O.T.". Zeus Xenios means the Zeus of Strangers; Zeus (among his other duties) was the patron deity of hospitality and kindness to strangers; a google search of the phrase shows that there seem to be an awful lot of hotels in Greece named "Zeus Xenios". "EOT" seems to be the abbreviation (in Greek) for the Greek National Tourist Organisation.

The reverse inscription reads, "pros gar dios eisin apantes xeinoi te ptochoi te dosin d' olige te phile te". A native speaker can probably give you a better translation, but I think it's something along the lines of: "For being one of the few friends who meet strangers and give to beggars".

I suspect I've got the cases, prepositions and other grammatical bits all wrong (I'm more a Greek dabbler than a Greek scholar), but it's definitely saying something about meeting strangers and gifts to beggars. I assume it's some kind of hospitality award from the Greek tourist organisation.
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About the Greek Token:

I believe that I have pieced together some insight based on my study of Classics in college...

The name on the obverse of the token is I believe for a hotel or resort the "Xenios Zeus"...I base this on the initials 'E.O.T.' which I believe is the Greece Tourism Board's acronym.

The quote on the reverse, PROS GAR DIOS EISIN HAPANTES XEINOI TE PTOCHOI TE DOSIN D'OLIG(H)E TE PHIL(H)E TE, reminds me of a quote from a past greek class I know I was supposed to learn more than I did (Homer's Odyssey I would wager) "treating foreigners and the poor well" but I don't understand the whole construction...I'll keep looking for more info, but I think it's some kind of tourism/souvenier piece.

Wait--I found it, it is from the Odyssey, and is translated by the Tufts project as:
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for from Zeus are all strangers and beggars, and a gift, though small, is welcome.


This token must be the 'small gift.'
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Beat HABIB by four seconds!

Even if his translation is more accurate.

I was wondering, with the archaic theme, if it was a famous quote from Greek literature. Homer makes sense.
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Looks like I missed it by a minute. Good job, Sap. The only diff being that I think APANTES starts with a hard sound (HAPANTES).
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wow you guys are great.
and all this time I thought I had a million dollar piece lol just to find out that now I am a beggar lol oh well a gift is a gift lol
thanks guys
Gary
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