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When is a nickel not a nickel?

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SuperDave
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Posted 02/17/2009  4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SuperDave to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message

In 1866, the Mint introduced a new nickel design to replace the older Half-Dimes. People were hoarding precious metals, and it was felt that a move away from silver was necessary to keep coins in circulation. Between that, and the efforts of magnate Joseph Wharton (for whom the famous business school is named), the decision was taken to produce the new coin in nickel.

The Chief Engraver of the Mint, James Longacre, designed the new coin based upon his Two-Cent piece design, and the mint proceeded to re-learn the lesson taught by the original Indian Head Cent composition:

Nickel doesn't strike easily.

Shield Nickels are notorious for cracked dies and relatively poor strikes, even though they're only 25% Nickel by composition. Clean, fully-struck examples tend to sell at a premium for this reason. All the same, they were popular coins in circulation, replacing the despised fractional currency which precious-metal hoarding had forced into being. So, production proceeded furiously - so furiously, in fact, that no Business Strikes were produced in 1877 and 1878 because of the vast number of nickels in circulation.

But I'm not here to talk about the Shield Nickel, I'm just long-winded.

In 1881, Mint Superintendent James Snowden decided to unify the designs of the Cent, 3-Cent and 5-Cent Nickel. He directed his Chief Engraver, Charles Barber, to develop a unified design. The first two denominations were only ever produced as patterns, but the new 5 Cent piece began Mintage in 1883, which brings us to the coin presented here for your viewing pleasure.

The new 1883 Liberty Nickel was the first in a line of less-than-distinguished Barber coinage designs. In keeping with the unification design, the denomination was represented by only a roman numeral on the reverse, a curious feature which led to the infamous "Racketeer" Nickels. Enterprising profiteers took the new nickel, gold-plated it, added reeding on the rim to mimic that of real gold coins, and passed them off as five-dollar gold pieces. The unsophisticated merchants of the time accepted them, even though the design bore no resemblance to the current true Half Eagle. They were the same diameter, though, and the obverse was close enough to pass a cursory inspection.

Needless to say, the new nickel design was hastily changed during the 1883 mintage run, leaving us with the 1883 "CENTS" and "NO CENTS" types. Approximately 5.5 million NO CENTS nickels were minted, and about 16 million CENTS types. The coin pictured below is the NO CENTS type. It shows both planchet flaws and the die cracks indicative of the Mint's difficulty working with this relatively new metal composition.






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Posted 02/17/2009  6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tampabaygrampa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks Dave. Nice history lesson on one of my favorite coins.

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Posted 02/17/2009  7:16 pm  Show Profile  Check okie-colin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I Love nickels. All the nickels in my 7070 Type Album are MS-63 to 65. They were the first coins I upgraded and I sure like gazing at them. Thanks for the history.


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Posted 02/17/2009  8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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People were hoarding precious metals, and it was felt that a move away from silver was necessary to keep coins in circulation. Between that, and the efforts of magnate Joseph Wharton (for whom the famous business school is named), the decision was taken to produce the new coin in nickel.

The precious metal problem was quite true during the war and was the reaso for the bronze cent and two cent. To some extent it is true for the nickel three cent and shield nickel but with the war being over it was felt that the silver coins would soon return to circulation on their own. (It took a little longer than they expected.) So the nickel five cent piece was viewed as being a temporary measure. It was also viewed as a way to redeem and retire the fractional currency without having to exchange good silver for paper. (They didn't mind issuing paper for silver but saw no reason why they should have to redeem it for silver. Typical government.)

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Posted 02/17/2009  8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Also, keep in mind, the first coin called a Nickel was introduced in 1857....the Flying Eagle cent. The Indian Cents (1859+) were nicknamed "Nicks" during the Civil War. The second Nickel was the three-cent nickel of 1865. And, of course the Shield Nickel finally stole the show. Now, there's one more thing to note, the U.S. Mint as NEVER minted a Nickel.


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Posted 02/17/2009  8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add still lookin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

You may want to check the mint's web site about what is included in the 2008 mint set.

"Each folder includes uncirculated versions of the following 2008-dated coins: four Presidential $1 Coins honoring past Presidents of the United States: James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren; the final five quarters from the 50 State Quarters® Program: Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska and Hawaii; and the Lincoln cent, Jefferson nickel, Roosevelt dime, Kennedy half-dollar, and Golden Dollar featuring Sacagawea."

Not sure if it contains the cent or the penny.


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Posted 02/17/2009  10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add XxJamesAxX to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks for the info. I cant get enough of the nickels...

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Posted 02/18/2009  11:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Very good post, SuperDave!




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Posted 02/18/2009  12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TonedCoinTrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Very informative!

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unify the designs of the Cent, 3-Cent and 5-Cent Nickel


ahhh... So that's why there wasn't the "cents"!

I learned so much! Thanks!


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Posted 02/19/2009  8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chump_Change to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Grest info, thanks Super Dave.

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unify the designs of the Cent, 3-Cent and 5-Cent Nickel

It's sort of a shame they didn't put a big "X" on the back of Barber dimes...that would've been cool. Interesting writeup!

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Very interesting, Thanks for the info


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Posted 02/20/2009  1:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add algol to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Great article. Thanks for the information. I enjoy the V-nicks alot. They were one of the first sets I started working on, minus the keys of course. If I win the lottery those will be my first purchases!

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If I win the lottery those will be my first purchases!


For the record, the coin pictured here - my guess is MS-62-ish - cost me $27.


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