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basebal21
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I am debating starting a new set of the PCGS 70 state quarters with the flag labels on the holder.
What I was hoping to get is everyones opinion on whether or not the better buy would be the clad version or the silver ones. I really cant decide between the two and at some point may end up doing both but was wondering which one everyone thought would increase in price more. If I do do both I would hate to have one get real expensive later one and have to try and get it after a big price increase.
Right now from what I've seen the clad are cheaper for the most part right now, but the price difference seems to be marginal at best on most of them.
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Both, definitely. =)
But if you had to pick just one, I'd say Ag, for somewhat of a hedge with the metal value.
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To be honest, I don't think it is worth it to pay the premium on slabbed 70's. The prices on these have already dropped quite a bit and these were collected like crazy, theyre not rare and I could see the pop reports increasing over the years. I don't see the value increasing In the long term on these. If I were you I would put a set together buying the silver proof sets and either leaving them in the OGP or putting them in a date set dansco like I did.
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Here is my two cents - and it may be wrong...
Here is a weird comparison:
When the fist Star Wars movie came out, the impact it would make could never be known. The companies made some action figures and people bought them. As time went on and Star Wars went viral, people wanted the toys. The originals are still valuable.
So the second wave of Star Wars movies came out years later. The marketing companies were ready for them this time. They KNEW people would believe the new star wars action figures would be collectible and "valuable." So many were made that, unlike the original sets, it will take a long time for them to be worth anything. The mint, with the state quarters, seems to have capitalized on peoples' perception that something that looks different will HAVE to be valuable some day. The mint made tons of these to satiate this mind set. I truly doubt these will be worth much at all for a long,long time.
If I wanted to collect them (fun b/c of the designs) though, I believe I would only do the silver b/c it has intrinsic value. A silver dime in 1960 bought a gallon of gas and its value today will do the same thing.
BTW - recently I was actually surprised when one of my friends showed me rolls of these proofs he had gotten from the melt pile at a coin shop! He only got them to search to see if he could find anything better than what he had in his album and then was going to take them back for melt.
 Visualize Whirled Peas - Doctors with patience will lose money letting loose their patients. - They're over there with their car.
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 I don't see the state quarters ever gaining significantly in value. There were so many people that aren't even collectors that bought up sets of these. I have a circulated set just because it was fun and easy to put together. If I were going to do anything more it would be a silver set just because it will actually have value outside the design and were not as heavily minted obviously.
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I'm going to be the odd dissenter on this one. I am putting together a complete Washington quarter set in unc. The 32 to 71 were completed in 1971 when prices were a bit easier. The State quarters are a part of this set; albeit a subset.
I had to stop using a standard Dansco because for certain years you have Satins in the Mint sets. In my opinion the circulating clads for those years will be the "keys". Have you tried to find high grade circulated coins? Not easy. MS70? Everyone uses the mint sets to fill their albums.
Now while it is true that a bunch of people collected these and there are still a large number of circulation collections that have nice coins in them; large numbers of those collections have been turned into pocket change in the last few years.
On that subject I saw a dealer empty a 32 to 98 Dansco album that was full of BU clad quarters from 65 up. He started to put the quarters in the till until I asked for them and got them for face value. One 1965 non-sms ms67 paid for the whole group...and left change over...even after paying for the grading!
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I would suggest only buying these if you like the coin designs yourself, not hoping for any huge price spikes in them at a later date. Of the sets, the silver proofs look the best. IHMO.
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I was one that bought into this in the beginning and collected bank rolls or mint rolls of every state. Man were they heavy. Finally turned them in this year for $10 roll to buy silver with. No net gain. Also bought some 70 proof silver coins that at the time was valued at $300 and now probably $70. Once I got my state set complete the mint came out with territories,state parks,etc. I'm then having to decide how far to take it. Very frustrating. Just collect what you have fun with at miminal expense over today's value .
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Lots of interesting takes on it here. Jnkendall I dont have the patience to try and find an MS set like that, I actually doubt Id ever get a high end set completed without spending a ton of money but I do agree ms70s would be the most valuable if they can be found.
I am going to go with the silver set to start out with after reading everything over. There were fewer of them made and theyres at least some hedging of the value with the metal value. I was thinking clad at first but it was a great point that that population could continue to grow for a while which would bring the value down. Shouldnt be as much of an issue with the Silver ones, well hopefully not anyway.
Im also pleased to announce the first coin to start the set a nice 2005 S California
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They have too much on them according to my grandfather so he dislikes them
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basebal21, I wish you the best on your search. The silver coins were my choice for collecting but mine have been bought from the mint and I am happy to have each example. I do not see the need for a "70" designation as I cannot see the difference from a 69 to a 70 anyway and most all modern proof coins are deep cameo and of high quality detail. But if you need the best of the best your decision is the way to go if you have the funds to make the purchases.
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Definitely collect the MS70s, they may be depreciated now, but they will slowly go up in value again. The early clad proofs 1999-2002 might be a steal in PF69, as "70" as the new normal didn't happen until after 2004 or so. The attrition/mishandling rate is greater on the clads than silver proofs, since there were so many "more" made of them. Also the clads tone faster in the OGP, so putting together an original "white" clad proof set will only be possible with cherry picking the nicest coins. Either way, IMO, both the sets are future winners.
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I tend to think both should either do well or hold theyre ground pretty well in the future now that the first surge has kind of died off.
The clad ones just have me so confused right now. I know some of the older clads can go for big money but there were a TON of the state quarters made. I could easily seeing the high end populations explode over the years as they get sent in, or it really just kind of stay flat as people just didnt care about them since theyre were so many and just used them at will
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70 proof silver dollars at scrappers price of 16 times would get you $280 not $70. If you got a more liberal buyer at 18 times you would get $318. eBay prices are all over the place with as much as $35 for the 99s and the rest averaging $6 each. If you sold them on eBay you would probably get $420 for your silver proofs. Rolls....I was surprised but there are several early bwr that are selling at $15+. I suggest that if you had sold them on eBay you might have made more than your $10 face value.
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Quote: 70 proof silver dollars at scrappers price of 16 times would get you $280 not $70 Could be wrong but I think he was referring to the quarters which most are running right around $70 right now
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That may be what he was referring to; but the qoute was "70 proof silver coins", so I have to take him at what he said rather than what he may have meant.
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