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Seriously! A beautiful shiny 2010 near mint condition obverse had me really thrilled, until I turned it over... ARGH! Another flipping PMD disaster from a coin sorting machine ( I presume ), the second one I'd had this week! 
Luckily I didn't toss it into the reject tin to feed the laundry machines with too quickly. As I mourned over the damaged reverse, I was startled to see a rabbit ear & backpack flashing at me... but not in the normal raised cud form... they really ARE "innies"! 
Still gobsmacked! Is this something that's been found before that I haven't heard of yet? 
I'm baffled as to how they were formed , so I hope one or more of you can nail it down for me. Have a look and tell me what you think please
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Pillar Of The Community
Australia
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The only thing I can think of is the rabbits ear from previous coin has stuck to the die & then this coin was struck.
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Pillar Of The Community
Australia
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Appleangel's explanation seems to make sense.
I have seen something similar with the chin cud on the 2005 50c.
Some coins have a depression where the chin cud might be..
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Pillar Of The Community
Australia
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Is the 'innie' area a lot more shiny compared to the rest of the coin? Can you do a close up of the area? It's possible that it is as appleangel describes, or it could be a strike through oil or grease. A 'rabbit' on the 2nd smallest Roo has not yet been reported on any year as far as I know, so I'm leaning towards strike through, but I'm not dismissing the other possibility. I can see the scrapes from the Coin Rolling machine, what a shame.  A friend is a present you give to yourself.
Nancy
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Pillar Of The Community
Australia
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Nancy
What do you think about the depression where the chin cud goes?
I think you have shown something similar once and said "someone will find a cud here".
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Pillar Of The Community
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What do you think about the depression where the chin cud goes? I think you have shown something similar once and said "someone will find a cud here". I didn't notice that one to be honest, but yep, someone will find a cud there, and that shiny depression is what I was asking about for the 'innie'. Another name that I think came from Yass some years ago is a 'wannabe' cud.
A friend is a present you give to yourself.
Nancy
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Australia
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Nancy, the depressions are mirror shiny like the rest of the coin. Here are a couple more photos, but don't know that they show too much more unfortunately. This first one shows how shiny the backpack on the 2nd smallest roo is. The rabbit ear on the smallest roo is also that shiny when the coin is tilted a bit more, but can't seem to capture it on a photo.  This second photo shows the top edge of the depressed area as a shiny line on each of the roos.  The die filled with the cuds from a previous coin sounds the most plausible to me frankly. The odds of a strike through oil or grease in known, relatively frequent cud areas would have to be pretty astronomical surely? |
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Pillar Of The Community
Australia
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OK, with your confirmation that the area in question is bright and shiny tells me that the 'innie' area is where a 'cud' was attached to the die. At some stage, the cud may stick to the coin, and a Rabbit will occur.
The thing is, there may be many coins with the shiny depressed area, but possibly only 1 with the cud, (unless the die itself gets damaged when the 'cud' detaches), so whether you decide to keep it is up to you.
I would hang onto it and you could be lucky and find another with the cud/cuds in place, then you have examples that show the progression of the deterioration of the die.
A friend is a present you give to yourself.
Nancy
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Australia
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I have seen this on one 2010 MOR but not on any other years or coins. I didnt keep the coin and photograph it but it looked just like you have described. Because the mark is so light I figure that after a little bit of circulation you wouldnt be able to see it so well done catching it now.
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New Member
Australia
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Thank you all for your replies, especially Nancy for your clear explanation   I've learned something new today and that's always appreciated  I'll keep the coin and hope to find the one with the matching cuds. Last night I also managed to see a very thin die crack coming from the mouth of each one of those same roos. On the smallest roo it dribbles towards his chest, and on the 2nd smallest it spurts forward. They sort of show up on those last two photos, but you wouldn't notice them unless you knew where to look and even then you need good eyesight and a good imagination!  All that really matters is that I know they're there, as it's worth nothing but face value with the pathetic damage it's suffered   Cheers everyone, and thanks again  |
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Just as a bit of an update... I'm back in Carnarvon where I got the 'innie' coin above, and the first handful of change from shopping yielded an identical twin  Happily, this one is minus any coin sorting machine damage, so I'm chuffed.  I'll skip taking a photo...if you've seen the one you've seen the other  Am still on the lookout for the coin with the cuds still in place though 
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Pillar Of The Community
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That's good to hear!  Fancy finding another one a month later. See if you can get hold of some bags of $1's, there might be a stash of them in the area. A friend is a present you give to yourself.
Nancy
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