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lightrail
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 Posted 11/03/2009 11:47 pm
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My father in-law has asked me to see if I can find out any information on the coin pictured below.
This coin originated with my father-in-law's grandfather who collected coins.
Checking all of the coin catalogues available to my father-in-law led nowhere. Fellow numismatic collectors of my father-in-law's local club surmised it to be a so called "forerunner" (German "Vorlaufer") struck by a mint as an intended issue in limited quantity but never released for whatever reason.
Some of the newly minted coins usually got away to mint employees or visiting dignitaries.
This coin is probably made of copper, it is 22mm in diametre but bears none of the usual German mint mark letters.
A different a much more simplified 25 Pfennig coin was issued in 1909, 1910, 1911 and 1912 with the mint mark "D" and since 25 Pfennig was probably considered odd, no other 25 Pfennig piece was ever issued again.
The mint mark "D" stands for the mint in Munich. This coin may be listed in highly specialised catalogues in Germany, which nobody in Canada has. The German word for coin is "Munze".
We are aware that there are excellent knowledgeable coin dealers in Berlin, Munich and Frankfurt, but nobody in my father-in-law's local numismatic society been able to provide an address or contact.
I'm hopeful that somebody on this forum has knowledge of this coin, or has a contact (website, email or mailing address) that they can provide for further investigation.
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RFB
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United States
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Posted 11/03/2009 11:55 pm
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Others can give much more detail on specifics but it looks like a Pattern piece.....
Here is another example of one.
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Edited by RFB - 11/03/2009 11:59 pm |
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WpgLwr
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lightrail
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Canada
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Posted 11/04/2009 01:55 am
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Many thanks to both of you - very useful information and links.
My father-in-law is in his 80s and the power of the internet still amazes him - he thought it would take me weeks to find the information, not minutes.
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Jays-Dad
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USA
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Posted 11/04/2009 09:45 am
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According to my plain old Krause, in 1908 Germany released quite a few different 25 pfenning patterns that year. Their catalog numbers run from PN106 to PN142. It seems as though a bunch of different metals were tried as well as a few variations on the design. My Krause briefly describes these, but does not show them.
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snowman
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xshift
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Posted 11/04/2009 3:23 pm
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 Snowman - LOVE that first one!
How much do patterns like that go for?
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scott3270
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snowman
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xshift
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Posted 11/04/2009 8:56 pm
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omg..
absolutely beautiful.. drooling is NOT the word!
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Zaggy
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Australia
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Posted 11/05/2009 07:36 am
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You want more info? The coin you have is not actually an 'official' pattern, but was instead a privately backed striking (anyone want to start the debate on whether or not this makes this a 'coin' or a 'medallion' ;) ). As mentioned above, it is indeed one of Karl Goetz (of München; 28/6/1875 - 8/9/1950) designs; catalogued as 'Schaaf 18 G5'. Being black and white, it is hard to tell which variant your's is, as they were struck in Copper (probably Alpha-Bronze at 4.4gr in Polierte Platte), Silver and Nickel. Other interesting details, it should be 22.6mm in diameter, 1.2mm thick with a smooth edge...
This striking (see how I avoided having to choose between coin or medal ;) ) was one of a series that was designed by Goetz around 1908, totalling 9 or 10 25Pf designs that were struck. I don't think he did any other denominations in this series, but yeah, not really my area of expertise!
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Zaggy
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