Overstrike 1964D Peace Dollar by Daniel Carr

Good points Sap, there are definitely grey areas in the law and this case is not as cut-and-dried as some make it out to be. In regards to the remaining "originality" of the host coin, there are traces of the original design just like there would be with a mint error double struck coin. The effect is not as prominent as a double struck coin because of higher striking pressure but the host design is still there. DC did not want to remove all traces of the original design for obvious reasons- it is an identifying marker. The other major identifying marker is a boldly repunched mint mark.

I have to believe that DC did alot of research before undertaking this project. After all, he is trying to create a legitimate business here(Moonlight Mint) and would not want to do something overtly illegal. IIRC, I read on another forum that he had also undertaken legal consultations so if something happens, he is fully prepared to make his case. I am also of the opinion that DC had other motives here- he wants to provoke the FTC(the Federal Trade Commission has legal jurisdiction over the Hobby Protection Act) to make a ruling and hopefully clarify and update the HPA.

The HPA does not address the situation of an "original numismatic item" not actually exiting such as the case of the 1964-D Peace dollar. Since the US Mint records have confirmed the destruction of all 1964-D Peace Dollars(meaning that no original numismatic items exist), that may be a legal opening similar to the situation with the 1933 Farouk Double Eagle and the State Department export license. The HPA also needs to be revised to specifically address fantasy pieces, particularly the ones that use design elements of genuine US coins. The HPA was written in 1973, long before numismatics became a multi-billion dollar industry and before the Chinese and others decided to actively undermine to collector market to make a few more yuan, it is time for a modernized law.



That is an especially interesting situation in light of the fact that the press DC uses is a Graebner Press that was used at the Denver Mint and then sold off as government surplus. If the government attempts to prosecute him for illegal dies, how will it resolve the fact that they were essentially accessories to his "crime" by supplying him with one of the necessary components for minting coins?

This Mint record sounds more like a government covering an unsure butt than one that has confirmed 100% destruction.

His website has been under construction, but here's a link to a completed eBay auction of one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/REPLICA-1964-D-..._2077wt_1059

Thanks for the link wheatguy. That is an impressive replica. I do not see copy stamped on it though.
$199.00 .... ? I would pass, but I would sure like to have that item.

Hey wheezydog down the road you will pay even more. almost to that point of not making them anymore only going to 2000 after that ? never know. I like getting items like this it's a gamble and let me tell you I've got 2 of the high luster what they called a MS 68 it's very nice and look Great in the set don't sit on the fence to long. And I would like to thank everyone that has posted for this topic when I first asked about what everyone thought I had know idea. I wish everyone a very happy thanksgiving. :-)

Very well said zeewool I like that (Moon-Money) hahaa :-) where did you get the photo of the toned coin I like that very much. :-)

I think Dan is an upstanding guy and one very nice dealer to talk to if you ever get the chance. I do know him and spoke with him many times and even specifically about the legality of the 64D dollar.

He tried very hard to ensure he wasn't stepping on any toes before producing them. According to the Mint, the coin no longer exists and is not a coin they intended to circulate. In theory, Dan's piece is a fantasy coin and a fantastic reproduction at that!

That said, it's still possible the government could go after him with some aspect of a law that he tried to steer clear of. I'm not sure if I'm letting the cat out of the bag on this, but he has a desire to produce some other coins that were never officially minted by the U.S. (think along the lines of a 1931 SLQ!).

scubu removing what fake coins ?