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Caligula Denarius

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 Posted 06/28/2011  11:53 am Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

OK, I know I'm new and have been busy posting on this site; however, I have a question for all the Roman coin collectors. I have been in the market for a Caligula Denarius for some time, but have not found any. Are there any out there and are they very expensive? I have two AR Drachm from Caesaria, Cappadocia. They are nice, but do not fit with the denarius of the other 12 caesars. I have uploaded an image of one of the two coins. The other is almost identical. I would very much like to find a Denarius though.



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 Posted 06/28/2011  12:57 pm  Show Profile Check Bacchus2's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HI,

There certainly are Caligula issued denarii - I'm sure you already know about Wildwinds... http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/caligula/i.html


And yes - they are expensive. To get a decent one you will have to dig deep.

There's one (a fouree one) at the current cgb.fr sale estimated at €2,500 - though to be honest cgb.fr tend to be pricy


CNG have one for sale

http://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx..._TYPE_ID_3=1

a snip at $13,500.
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06/28/2011 1:03 pm
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 Posted 06/29/2011  2:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately I believe the coin you illustrate to be a modern cast fake.
Here is a matching example from a fakes database.



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Martin
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 Posted 06/29/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you are not correct. I have two of these coins, similar but different. Here is the other coin. Both have tested to be 80-100% silver and each weigh 3 and 3.34 grams respectively.



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 Posted 06/29/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That second one is a match to the fake I illustrated right down to the flan shape. That is certainly a cast fake I am afraid. The first example comes from the same dies and I think is another cast fake that has some work done on it to mask the nature of the flan.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I think. Now I feel like a fool.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jw

Don't feel bad. I wouldn't have known from your first photo if the coin was real or not. I'm just a beginner. But now I know a little more about how to spot a fake, thanks to your post.

It's better that the people with the knowledge tell it like it is (as painful as it might be) rather that letting us go about in ignorance.IMO
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 Posted 06/29/2011  10:28 pm  Show Profile Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The countfeiters are very skillful and even fool the experts sometimes. You now have a reference piece to take along with you when you are shopping to compare with.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem I now face is how many of my "collection of fine Roamn coins" are fake. Some of these coins I have collected over a long period of time (decades). Without breaking the bank, is there a way to verify the rest of my collection? Thanks for all the input
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 Posted 06/30/2011  12:22 am  Show Profile Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While it's not unheard of late Roman bronzes have no modern fakes. Early Roman bronzes along with silver and gold coins are faked often, so you should buy from well know dealers that have a return policy. http://www.forumancientcoins.com has an excellent section that lists lots of fakes.
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 Posted 06/30/2011  10:20 pm  Show Profile Check bobbyhelmet's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The problem I now face is how many of my "collection of fine Roman coins" are fake


jw - hopefully the fact that you yourself had questions about the coins in your three posts means that without knowing it you policed your own collection.

Hope that makes sense! Hopefully the ones you don't have queries on are all OK. Best way to find out is to post a sample.
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 Posted 07/01/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all. I have learned from this experience. I plan to post some additional coins in the near future.
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 Posted 03/14/2012  10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joe Geranio to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are going to by a Caligula Denarius, make sure it is from a reputable dealer, not an adver., but I like dealing with CNG and dealers I know and trust, I may pay more, but you can trust a good dealer, I got my first Caligula denarius in 1989 for 800 dollars, if your patient, you can find an acceptable one for 2k-3,500.
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