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It seems to be a recurrence every day or so, and here's yet another. First the clues. The obverse hair curl at the neck is missing a large portion where it means her scalp. On the obverse, the left dot of CENTS is round where all the one's I've seen (varifying with PCGS just prior to this post shows three) are flat at the bottom. The S mint mark also looks questionable. With seven bidders, one having just short of 57,000 in feedback, I am amazed that none have caught these issues. Is it really possible they do not know that this is one of three in the series highly counterfeited? Especially when there are several listings of the 1885 and 1886 from a Chinese seller frequently listed. I'm sure he has 1912s as well. With that, I'm continually dumbfounded that people buy these without third party confirmation. So pay attention people! This is already some serious money about to be paid for a huge heartbreak if the winning bidder submits it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/267359308232 ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
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On the obverse, the left dot of CENTS is round where all the one's I've seen (varifying with PCGS just prior to this post shows three) are flat at the bottom. The S mint mark also looks questionable.
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Just back from the ebay OPEN , the focus for ebay in the collectibles field right now is Trading Cards . They have no real head of a Coins department per se. I had a discussion with one of the Collectibles team and it went in one ear out the other . They could give a tinkers lick about the Counterfeit Coins out there ' Sorry , laddies you is on yer own when it concerns counterfeit coins On ebay! |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Image for posterity:  Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Bedrock of the Community
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Such a shame.  The person bidding on it will be getting ripped off, once they find out it's fake. Errers and Varietys.
Edited by Errers and Varietys
08/19/2025 01:09 am
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This dealer is actually worse than you think. This coin sold on 8/7. They have a "dealer" account ( ebay feedback of 7306) place a max bid and then the scam account ( ebay feedback of 8462) bids it up over a period of time up until auction end hoping to sucker someone in. On the 8/7 auction, they almost caught a fish that dropped a bid of $1,578 with a little over a minute left before auction end. 8462 placed another bid 12 seconds later but with a minute left hoping to draw a few more dollars out of the fish, but they didn't go for it. Scammer took the coin for $1,603. The next day, 8/8, the coin was then put up for a 10 day auction again following the same drill. This time the dealer had feedback of 56,919, max bid of $1,500 and again scammer 8462 bid it up but no fish jumped in. Auction closed at $1,508. Below are screenshots of the bid action near the end of each auction.   |
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He turns every coin into gold!   Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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Round three, will Coins & Cards find a sucker on ebay. Same scam bidder 8466, so now just waiting for another dueling "dealer" bidder working in concert to try and create interest and draw in the fish.  |
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Oh brother.  |
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Wow. You guys opened my eyes to so many things I've not considered. First, while I have seen this seller's listings in the past I had not paid attention to what was actually listed or the frequency, especially the key and semi-key dates. The second take away was the obvious use of dealer participants (most likely paid for their service) driving up the price. Just glad that I have not bought from them, nor would I ever. Not worth the risk for sure. So much thanks for this enlightenment!
On a final note, I looked at a 1912s PCGS AU50 for $1,400 at last Fall's PAN show but opted for the '12d in AU58 instead. So it's incredible to me seeing what people are throwing at raw key dates hoping for the best.
ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
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A follow up. I checked out his feedback and saw at least a dozen 1932s Washington quarters sold, all in mint state. Or so they appear from the images. Who has that many of a key date? ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
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Who has that many of a key date? Counterfeiters
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Who has that many of a key date? Counterfeiters
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So, this coin is now on its sixth listing. I decided to send a rather extensive report to ebay, they may do nothing, but this dealer is trash. They employ shill bidding on nearly all of their listing. At least their rating has taken a hit recently. As I understand it, shill bidding, where the seller conducting the auction uses fake bidders, is illegal. Not to mention the fake mint mark. Here are the pics I included in the report. And yes, I had nothing better to do tonight, and the wife is out of town!   |
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Posted 08/18/2025 7:27 pm
