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Today's Humor, 1911 Cent

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 Posted 10/16/2011  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PlumCrazy814 to your friends list

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Does anyone else concur with me that many of this guys cents look way too new?


I think they are real but he does not say that the entire roll is BU unless I missed something.
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10/16/2011 12:39 pm
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 Posted 10/16/2011  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
Well, continuing on my lifelong quest to be the most unpopular and utterly despised member in this coin forum, I have to tell you guys, I don't see what you're all so rattled about. At least, give me some credit, I'm being honest. The pics on this subject coin could zoom-up clearer, I'll give you all that. But, this could very well be a MS-66, even a MS-67, in-hand.

If you roll the dice, you've got a two-week return policy, no questions asked. Look at his rolls. He's in the business. It's a little unfair to lump him in with some amateur who can't even spell. This guy defrauds one buyer, his whole racket goes down, he's toast. Would you feel better were this subject coin in a PCGS or NGC MS-66RD holder? Well, it's not. While the TPGs do try to monopolize the coin market, they don't. This is capitalism at it's best.

I don't see anything wrong with what this guy is doing, here, with this listing, outside of asking more for the subject coin than you (and, I'll include, I, too) would be willing to pay. Let him alone. And, no, I don't know this guy. Sheesh.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I don't think it's a quest any longer.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...negative_365
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 Posted 10/16/2011  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list

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I don't think it's a quest any longer.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...negative_365
If you wanted to show me what a small-minded person you are you just succeeded with a comment like that.

On this seller's feedback, his 16 negatives you reference in the past 12 months are hardly compelling in the light of these 2233 positives: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...interval=365.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list
I think its just a case of buyer beware. I saw a roll of wheaties sell for $570 because the lead cent was a 1909 S. The condition of that coin was maybe VF and had a striated surface.

The back coin was an AU VDB.

Does somebody really think that a coin dealer would not open a roll of cents if there was a distinct possibility that there could be a thousand dollar coin, no, many thousand dollar coins in it?

Would you pay $570 betting he didn't?

Generally, I think grab bags of coins are for kids.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VioletBerserker to your friends list
I agree, of course a collector would go through those. That 1911 was funny though.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FIST of coins to your friends list
If you actually look at the positive feedback, most of it is for $5-20 transactions... it's a lot higher ratio of bad feedback for the higher priced auctions.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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If you wanted to show me what a small-minded person you are you just succeeded with a comment like that.


As you resort to personal insults. Right in line with your true character.
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 Posted 10/17/2011  04:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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If you wanted to show me what a small-minded person you are you just succeeded with a comment like that.

On this seller's feedback, his 16 negatives you reference in the past 12 months are hardly compelling in the light of these 2233 positives: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...nterval=365.


It's not the quantity of negs and neuts (and I didn't search for "soft" negs hidden as +), but the fact that virtually every gripe is about the same problem--salted rolls that "just happen" to have uncish vdbs on the ends.

Ask anyone who has searched a bag or more of wheats how often they find a vdb, then divide that by 50 to see how often it's

a) on the end
b) reverse out

yet this guy has sold dozens of such rolls.
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 Posted 10/17/2011  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list

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As you resort to personal insults. Right in line with your true character.
Instead of just linking me to this seller's negatives to prove your point you choose to supplement that with a provocative crack. And I point that out and it's my character that's impugned. Fine. Reason how you will.
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 Posted 10/17/2011  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
But Fred, he has a two-week return policy. If you're dissatisfied with a purchase, send it back. I don't think this seller is out to defraud buyers. He rather appears to me to be in it for the long haul, trying to cultivate repeat customers. If I were to see a negative wherein he dishonored his return policy, that would be persuasive for me. Short of that, I'm saying, I don't think I'd just categorically dismiss him.
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 Posted 10/17/2011  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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. I don't think this seller is out to defraud buyers.


Puh-leeze! When was the last time you found a vdb

1) In a batch of common wheats
2) In nearly-new condition
3) On the end of a roll
4) In a shotgun wrapper
5) With the reverse visible
6) Not just once, but dozens of times.
7) This group of events is incredible, as in "without credibility"
8) The word "gullible" is not in the dictionary.

His presentation is purposely misleading.

Return policies are better than nothing, but years ago, someone studied them. In the case of grossly misreprented stuff ( Buffalo nickels instead of Mercury times, shorted rolls, obviously XF coins sent as gems, etc) only 20% were returned.

Why? If the seller is incompetent, how badly can they screw up a return?

If you keep it, you at least have something to show. Return it, and you have nothing but the hope of a refund/replacement. Some people prefer to quit before they get further behind.

It costs time and money to return something. With rare exceptions, you're out shipping both ways.

Returning something, at least sub-consciously, makes some people feel that they somehow made a mistake. In this example, buyers jump to confusions, and after they get 48 common wheats, well, the seller didn't say there was anything there.
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 Posted 10/17/2011  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Puh-leeze! When was the last time you found a vdb

1) In a batch of common wheats
2) In nearly-new condition
3) On the end of a roll
4) In a shotgun wrapper
5) With the reverse visible
6) Not just once, but dozens of times.


USED to happen to me all the time. And would just put them back in change. Of course that was about 1950 or earlier.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
No problem, I didn't realize the seller is as honest as the day is long, and has a time machine he didn't tell us about.
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 Posted 10/18/2011  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
As in all things- caveat emptor. If you're a gambler try a purchase. If unhappy, see how he honors his return policy. A whole group of consecutive negatives is something I'm sure he doesn't want to see.
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