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cd_god ... Instead of bouncing the coin, balance it on a fingertip, strike it with another silver half, and listen closely to the ring, if any. Then, switch coins, putting the known silver half on your fingertip. Is the ringing sound high-pitched and sustained for a few seconds? This technique is far more telling than a bounce or food blender test!
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OK, I will say it again...WHAT IS THE WEIGHT?
I dont see any screaming signs that say its fake.
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Bouncing is only a give away if it is way off. Weigh the Coin! It looks genuine to me. Looks like someone tried to pound a hole through it with a crude tool but otherwise talons, coloration, bust, date all genuine to my eyes.
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OK.
The book says it should weigh 13.48 grams when freshly minted.
My coin doesn't look heavily worn so minimal weight deduction due to wear. How far off is acceptable given the gouges and missing metal? How far off weightwise are counterfeits and again were there any other silver colored metals that weighed close to what silver ddi that were used for fakes?
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I'd say definitely not over weight, and not more than 5% - 8% under....
Then again if it came right in at 8% under, I'd still be suspicious.
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Looks genuine to me and I agree with Conder101 the reverse is O-107 with the vertical die defect line at upper right hand corner of the shield, the OBV is O-109 with the low 3.
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I'll leave what I posted in it's entirety, but if the diagnostics are there for specific dies ... I don't know the chinese fakes to be that good yet. The color and surfaces still don't look normal to me though. It looks an awful lot like the fake Morgans that you find on ebay. Most of these are silver washed copper. I have a seated half that weighs 9 grams, where it should weigh 12.5 grams. I think it's a contemporary counterfeit, because it appears to be cast copy. For that coin ... I'd say that it shouldn't weigh any less than 13 grams given the damage and wear. A half a gram is a lot. That's 20 prcent of the weight of a nickel. So what's it weigh? Chance Edited by Chancellor Sutler
10/31/2011 10:17 pm
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I guess I better get one of those digital scales off of ebay then since I am not going to the hood to find a crack house to see if I can borrow theirs.  I guess I either spent an average of $15 on a paper weight or an R-5 coin (31 to 75 pieces estimated to exist) Thanks Condor101 for doing the research  What are the odds that a counterfeiter would have copied an R5 coin back in the day unless they had one in their pocket? |
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they weigh 13.48 grams and measure 32.5MM what is the weight/measurements for this coin I agree the hat looks kinda off, but then again it is damaged in that area.
Edited by jessvc1
10/31/2011 10:29 pm
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Your local pharmacist, legal drug dealer, might consent to weigh it, or else a jeweler.  |
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Not to hijack but is it the low 3 that makes this an R-5 coin or is it the reverse die? is there a source online to attribute bust halves? just looked at mine and it has the same low 3.
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there are a few OBV dies for this coin with low 3's there is ov1, obv1-v2, obv2 with recut 1, obv 6 where the 3 is lower on top but but even on bottom, obv 10 where the three is tipped and so on start a new post to attribute.  Edited by jessvc1
10/31/2011 11:03 pm
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I would start a new thread but, alas, no camera right now. What resource do you use to attribute theses?
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Early Half Dollar Die Varieties 1794 - 1836 by Al Overton
What makes it an R-5 is the specific combination of obv and rev dies. The rev die used on this coin also comes paired with a different obv and that die combination has over 1500 specimens known
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OK. Not sure if this will help or not. I borrowed a cheap Harbor Freight scale from a co worker for what its worth and got readings anywhere from 13 grams to 13.2 grams depending on how the wind was blowing / sun was shining / if I winked at it etc.  |
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