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Will Platinum Ever Come Back Above Gold?

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 Posted 11/04/2011  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
people aren't crazy about gold, we are crazy to put our faith in paper money. When economic sanity finally arrives (can't return if it haven't been here), gold will stabilize (the value of paper money will be tied more closely with gold), and platinum will rise due to industrial demand picking back up.
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 Posted 11/05/2011  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list
I really want to buy some fractional platinum eagles, but the premiums on them are ridiculous...

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So I called a local coin shop, and he said they had .25 and .5 ounce platinum eagles for $1825 per ounce. This is pretty high...

I called my preferred shop, and he sells all his platinum bullion (ungraded of course) for spot+75$ per ounce, which is a much much better deal.

Unfortunately they had none in. But this shop is in my parents city. I always try to stop by when I visit, I have never found prices better then his!
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11/05/2011 1:39 pm
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 Posted 11/05/2011  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I know people that are starting to buy now.where were they when it was at 6 to 7 hundred an ounce?

Well, having been there, I can tell you where they were then. They were thinking that gold at $700 an oz. was pretty expensive compared to the gold they were used to at $300-400 an oz. Little did we know back then what the future would bring!


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I called my preferred shop, and he sells all his platinum bullion (ungraded of course) for spot+75$ per ounce, which is a much much better deal. Unfortunately they had none in.

Well, heck... when I don't have any platinum to sell, I only charge a $50 premium per oz. over spot! That's a much better deal, right?
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 Posted 11/05/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list
Haha, I have been to this shop several times, and he keeps these prices consistent. Really nice guy and really helpful. I have a problem buying from other places.
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 Posted 11/06/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I have been to this shop several times, and he keeps these prices consistent. Really nice guy and really helpful. I have a problem buying from other places.

A good local dealer is a real asset to any coin or bullion collector. It's good that you have access to one where you are. I have one as well. He's great but since he runs a pawn shop, coins are not his main interest. I get a lot of good deals from him but his coin quantity is often fairly low. I have "cleaned him out" more than once, even though I did not buy all that many coins at one time.
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 Posted 11/07/2011  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
Still very ignorant in the matter of Pt prices. Does Pt tend to hold its price even when the economy tanks (lower industrial use) ?
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 Posted 11/08/2011  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list
Well I thnk its rarity keeps the prices up, and industrial demand....

There are actually a lot of industrial uses for platinum
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 Posted 11/08/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
That's what I wonder about though. Is Pt prices driven more so by its industrial use (which will slow with a tanking economy), or by its rarity / "intrinsic" value?
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 Posted 11/08/2011  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Here is a web page that goes into some detail about platinum and its uses:

http://www.louisianagold.com/platfact.htm

I don't know how platinum use breaks down in ounces, though. My guess is that it is used mostly by industry, so when industry slows so does platinum consumption and therefore platinum prices. Platinum is closely allied with the auto, chemical, petroleum refining, and waste treatment industries.
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 Posted 11/13/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Pt is almost always higher than Au.

The only thing I can see causing a serious problem is if a substantial amount of vehicle production switched to electric, and frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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 Posted 11/15/2011  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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The only thing I can see causing a serious problem is if a substantial amount of vehicle production switched to electric, and frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

I would agree with that. Electric cars today are at about the same development point as was the personal computer when the Commodore Vic-20 was selling. Yes, it was a computer but barely. So it goes with electric cars. They will come into their own eventually but that could easily take 25-30 more years of R&D. At the current state of development, they do have some niche applications but are primarily interesting and expensive novelties.
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 Posted 11/15/2011  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
Thanks for the info ed. So I suppose the price of Pt is driven mainly by its true rarity (compared to silver and gold) and industrial demand more so than it's "intrinsic" value
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 Posted 11/15/2011  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
The info in Wikipedia is from 2006. As of that date, about 80% of the platinum uses are industrial and 20% were for jewelry. No mention was made of coins. In any case, platinum use is primarily industrial so as industry slows its production, its consumption of platinum should also slow.

We have seen Pt prices drop like this before. On average, there has been about a 60% rise in the price of Pt in the 2 years following its price drop to below that of gold. The recent drop in Pt prices to below those of gold could very well show significant price gains over the next year or two. Anyone who watched the gold / silver ratio and who uses that to trade in and out of gold and silver in such a way as to maximize their total PM ounces should really be selling Au now and buying Pt. If the typical pattern occurs in this case, they will be able to sell the Pt in a couple of years and buy Au with their profits.
If I had any Au, I would be doing that now.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list

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The only thing I can see causing a serious problem is if a substantial amount of vehicle production switched to electric, and frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon.


It is important to remember that the US market is no longer the #1 automobile market in the world. China captured the #1 spot in 2009 and hasn't looked back. The Chinese market will be driving more and more of the development focus in the years ahead just as they will be driving the oil markets.


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So I suppose the price of Pt is driven mainly by its true rarity (compared to silver and gold) and industrial demand more so than it's "intrinsic" value

The same could be said of silver until 18 months ago. Until the summer of 2010 industrial demand was the dominate factor the determined the price of silver.
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 Posted 11/25/2011  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
There is no doubt in my mind that Pt will be higher than gold, and there's even a simple way to make money on this.

Where's a good site to see what LEAPS are available, either in or out of the money?
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