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Fingerprints On Coins ... Odd?

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 Posted 11/12/2011  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Human skin exudes a natural oil to keep it supple.
If a brand new copper surface comes into contact with fingers once only, the prints are left behind and the residue oil, over time, will react with a copper surface. Visible finger prints will be left behind. These finger prints can be impossible to remove, because the oil in the skin is really a type of fatty acid, and has reacted with the metallic surface.

If a coin is handled a great deal, all these finger prints from many people get merged into each other, evenly.

To demonstrate that skin exudes an oil, put your hands in a mild caustic solution. The result is that your hands will feel soapy. What has happened in this case, is that the oil has reacted with the OH ions of the alkaline caustic solution, and actually have produced a sort of 'soap'.

What has really been produced is that an insoluble. oil has been converted into a soluble oil, which is what a soap really is. your skin will feel dry because the oil has beeen strippd out of your skin.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list
"it puts the lotion in the basket"


... name that movie
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 Posted 11/12/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list

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To demonstrate that skin exudes an oil, put your hands in a mild caustic solution. The result is that your hands will feel soapy. What has happened in this case, is that the oil has reacted with the OH ions of the alkaline caustic solution, and actually have produced a sort of 'soap'.

Which is why bleach feels slippery on your hands.
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 Posted 11/12/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Also sometimes when someone holds a bunch of coins in their hand, alot of the coins don't really come into direct contact with the skin (since the coins are usually in a pile).
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 Posted 11/12/2011  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
Isn't sebum earwax, come on your me out
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 Posted 11/13/2011  04:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebum#Sebum -
"... Sebaceous glands secrete the oily, waxy substance called sebum (Latin, meaning fat or tallow) that is made of fat (lipids), wax, and the debris of dead fat-producing cells. In the glands, sebum is produced within specialized cells and is released as these cells burst; sebaceous glands are thus classified as holocrine glands. Seborrhoea is the name for the condition of greasy skin caused by excess sebum.[4]
Sebum is odorless, but its bacterial breakdown can produce odors. Sebum is the cause of some people's experiencing "oily" hair,[5] as in hot weather or if not washed for several days. Earwax is partly composed of sebum."

Sebum is, usually, the stuff that becomes "fingerprints" at a crime scene.

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 Posted 11/13/2011  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
If you have ever been to a stripper bar in Asia you would NEVER put a coin in your mouth
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 Posted 11/13/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
I knew I was sitting in front of a computer and could just look it up,
instead I just went from memory, I was wrong, it's cerumen
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 Posted 11/14/2011  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
The real reason no fingerprints on all coins is due to almost everyone now using Latex gloves all day. Then too many wear other types of gloves to keep their fingers warm.
Others wash all the coins in their pockets each night.
And remember that dead people don't give off those oils and acids on their fingers either. Coins in your pocket get rubbed all the time by cloth.
So if you eliminate people wearing gloves, dead people, coin washing people, coins left in cloths and put into a washing machine, few coins get fingerprints.
And of course with all the adds today about stopping germ spreading by using those germ things in almost every store, even less prints.
At this rate a coin with a finger print will be worth more.
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 Posted 11/14/2011  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foolsgold to your friends list

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"it puts the lotion in the basket"


... name that movie


"It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again"

Silence of the lambs

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 Posted 11/14/2011  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silversam to your friends list

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"it puts the lotion in the basket"


... name that movie


"It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again"

Silence of the lambs


Or joe dirt lol
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 Posted 11/14/2011  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list
Yup => Nicely done, Foolsgold

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 Posted 11/14/2011  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list
just carl => wow, you may be correct!? I'm gonna try to sell a few coins on the web, as

=> Mint State, with possible "celebrity-fingerprints"



trout1105 => I'm not exactly sure if an Asian stripper counts as a celebrity, but there would probably be a niche-market for your dirty stripper coins as well?
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 Posted 11/14/2011  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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=> Mint State, with possible "celebrity-fingerprints"

They just had a dress worn by Marilyn Monroe in a movie on the Antique Road Show for hundreds of thousands of dollars. SO imagine a coin with her fingerprints on it. Actually I wonder why there isn't a lot of so called famous people's fingerprints on coins on ebay all the time.
Another one on the show called History Detectives was about a coin that might have been shot by Annie Oakly.
Could start another entire new type of coin collecting.
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 Posted 11/15/2011  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
In an attempt to drag this thread kicking and screaming back to the original question...

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why doesn't every single coin in your wallet have nasty fingerpint-marks riddled all over them?

They do. They don't have a "whole bunch" of nice clean sharp fingerprints because more than a couple of fingerprints overlap to produce an overall broken-lustre effect.

It's like footprints on a beach. If it's a beach where there's only ever been one person walking on it, it's easy to see only one set of footprints, nice and clear. Two or three footprints are still easy enough to track, though it might get confusing in places. A couple of dozen people or more and the sand just becomes cratered with overlapping footprints to the extent that you can't really see any distinct sets of footprints at all.

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so the flip-side is => it's better to handle your coins a "whole bunch", rather than just once!?

We coin collectors have a word for that. It's called "wear". We collectors generally don't like wear, whether it's mechanical wear from friction or chemical wear from reacting with fingerprint oil.

It's not the actual fingerprint that causes permanent damage, it's the chemical reaction between the slightly acidic fingerprint oil and the metal of the coin's surface that causes the problem. Which is why it's recommended that, if you know you've accidentally put a fingerprint on a coin, wash the print oil off with a solvent like acetone straight away, before the reaction can begin. Let the oil sit there long enough to make a visible print (for example, dark brown on a bright copper coin) and it's too late for acetone to do any good; you might wash off the residual oil but the metal has already reacted with it.

I have a Bermuda cent I purchased as a YN, one of my first coins. I'm sure it was uncirculated back when I first got it, but now it's more of an EF, from my handling it carelessly a few dozen times and from being stored in a PVC coin page a bit too long.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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