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I would say FH4 also. Excellent detail.
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Matters like pigtails, beards and helmets do make a difference but not to the point of assigning an RIC number. There are about 2000 variations of Falling Horsemen and room for a lot more detailed study. The recognition that the small figures on these coins were portraits rather than random is relatively recent. I am glad to see the addition but many of my coins are hard to read with certainty because their low grade makes it hard to tell if there is a beard or a chin on that blob. I usually avoid coins with unclear legends but I have bought coins with confused horsemen. JW's beautiful FH3 of Siscia is a case in point. The headgear has a brim and is bent over at the top. I do not know the full and proper definition of a Phrygian helmet.  Compare my coin which lacks the brim and the top only edges forward a little. Where do we draw the line between names applied to the two? Now imagine both of these coins worn to the point that it is harder to see the details. I believe this is why RIC chose to shop the variations with the basic types. I'm sure there will be a bigger and better book on these coins someday (perhaps written by Dane?). |
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The coin I posted above is not my coin, but one that looked quite different from most and I had thought about getting from Roma/Vcoins. It's a nice coin but the price is too much for me. I ended up getting this one from ebay. Now I can see it's an FH3, then a friend wanted it so I gave it to him.  It's still not clear to me what a FH1 looks like, it's hard to tell from dougsmit's picture above. I believe I found a drawing of one on Tesorillo.com under his reverse types AE2, although he doesn't have it categorized as FH1 or showing one coming from Thessalonica. This is a complex type, much more that I thought. Thanks |
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Perhaps close to FH4 since the horse's head is tucked backwards. I'd say that it is FH4 |
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Nice post dougsmit with perfect timing. I ordered a few of these coins last month, just finished my order a couple days ago and think I have all styles(generally speaking not ALL the styles but a good example of FH2-4) in the first post except FH1. Cant wait I think they will be here in the middle of jan. All nice examples with good details and size ranging from AE2-3 12 total.
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 I own a total of two FH1 coins out of well over a hundred FH of other styles. One was shown in the inset. This is the other. They are not common. Again look here at the head of the horse which is stretched forward and NOT tucked under. The nose is at the left rather than right of the ears. The soldier is more on top of the horse than behind it. The horseman is touching the ground; note the hand lower than the head of the horse supporting him rather than holding on to the horse's neck. The horse is quite flat rather than holding its rump high up as common on FH4. I have some doubt about whether the horseman is fully off and in front of the horse but it is not obvious that he is still on the back of the horse. We use the term Falling Horseman but FH1 and FH2 could be called correctly Fallen while the FH3 and FH4 riders are still in the process so Falling is a better term. You see both used interchangeably and incorrectly by non specialists. All FH1 coins are AE2. They were made very early in the series at very few mints. While scarce, I paid no extra for the two I have because both of my coins are very low grade. If you see a nice one, you should give it to me for Christmas.  Edited by dougsmit
12/17/2011 11:15 am
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dougsmit I have a question. Can the FH1 have an outstretched arm on the rider?
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Which fallen horsman style would this one be? It looks like an FH3 but the horses head isn't as tucked under as the rest.
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That is the shortest horse I have ever seen. It is FH3 because of the reaching hand but I admit that the horse head could be more tucked. My only Nicomedia horseman is much later and conforms better to the head position but still has a short horse. Every mint style was different.
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Thank you Doug for taking the time to post and explain these four types.
I had the "reaching" verses "clutching" question on another forum and this clears it up for me 100%(something tells me you may have read that thread)
Definitely a difficult and vast area of study considering the number of possible variations, coupled with the fact that having access to coins in excellent condition may be somewhat limited for most.
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-Kurt
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If you want to learn about FH coins visit this page and all the ones that link to it. Dane does not have the best condition coins in every case but she has a lot of them that will teach you what to look for. http://www.catbikes.ch/helvetica/feltemps.htmI would have preferred she use the FH numbers but she chose just to say kneeling, sitting, reaching and clutching. |
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