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Natural Tone Or Not? LWC

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 Posted 12/18/2011  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
Yea I think I am going to pass on this one. The seller said he wasnt sure if it was NT, and he wouldnt risk the grading fees on it. So to me that means its AT
Well my search continues! anyone wanna throw me a bone? Not having too much luck finding anything good.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
And your opinions saying that is purposeful toning are based on what? The color being over the top? Not really a scientific basis now is it? It just looks wrong...equally scientific.

Truth is, there is absolutely NO way you can say what happened to this coin. Any statement will be SOLELY a non factual based opinion and nothing more.

If you like the way the coin looks, get it. I would add that one to my collection.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
I do like how it looks but I dont want to pay a premium for something I can do myself. I could sit here and tone coins all day long for cheaper
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 Posted 12/18/2011  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list
i think you are making the right choice in passing. The coin may very well be NT. Usually, I've seen this coloration in proofs that have been stored in less than ideal circumstances. The best I've seen this type of coin come back-in proof mind you- with this kind of toning is PR-66. Which may mean that TPGs don't like the color for eye appeal.

personally, collecting copper coins in red just scares me.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
Here is a coin that was toned using electrolysis then a darkener was used on the grey areas. The electrolysis leaves the coin with some areas an ugly grey and the rest will show red and purple. There are all kinds of ways to tone coins whichever was used I dont know but this is an artificial toning.

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 Posted 12/18/2011  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scotty11 to your friends list
How much was the seller asking for this one?

Unless this coin would grade MS66 or better, I can't see as to why anyone would have it slabbed.


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If you like the way the coin looks, get it. I would add that one to my collection.



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 Posted 12/18/2011  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
When you bake coins it does the same thing and leaves the coins with some nice colors and some grey baked looking colors.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
I think he wasnts right around $20 for it. not a bad price I guess. But like I said I would rather have one thats NT. I dont think its baked I think it would have more of an even color on both sides eg since pennies are so small I dont think it would have a natural copper color on one side and purple right over that copper spot on the other side. Also if its AT I dont think he did it he only has a couple coins that are toned and they look NT
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 Posted 12/18/2011  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
Folow me on E-Bay. I am seller: johnmenc. It should teach you somethings how a coin should like in the real. This coin is probably cleaned or treated in one area. See the breakage. See how solvents yield purple hues on coins. Heat drives lower mewlting points metals to the surface in the alloy. Hence the colors. Silver to grey and black and copper, zinc, tin, etc. to other colors.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list
On the original post, is it certified? Did you buy it from a shop or find it in a roll or circulation? If you didn't pay much for it, or picked it out of circulation, then I say it's natural tone. IMO.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
It is not certified and I didnt buy it.
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 Posted 12/18/2011  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list
colonialjohn is right on.Thiscoin has been heated up and its very obvious.
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 Posted 12/19/2011  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
It MIGHT have been heated on purpose. It also may have been left in a trunk in a storage unit in Arizona. You dont know. As Isaid, any statement of fact is NOT a fact. Solely an opinion.
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 Posted 12/20/2011  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
It doesn't look like a baked coin. However, I believe the coin was laying face down in a thin layer of a liquid that caused the color change. Probably not intentionally toned, more likely it just happened during it's life. Nonetheless, the toning is not generally market acceptable.
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 Posted 12/20/2011  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rewster to your friends list
I put some ZAP cleaner (It was a Billy Mays cleaner a few years back) on some common LWCs a couple years ago, and they had the same toning. I'll look for 1 when I get home tonight and upload a pic of one.
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