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Do These Wheat Cents Have Original Surfaces?

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 Posted 01/12/2012  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
Those coins do look too good to be true (but are still really, really nice). Um..so...what's "whizzing"? I have this image of dunking cents in a jar of Cheez Whiz.
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 Posted 01/12/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
I promise you, these coins will not look this good in hand. There was a posting a few months back where a guy bought some cents that had the exact same look to them. When he got them in the mail they looked nothing close to as good as the images. Another member then took the images the member posted and photoshopped them to look exactly like the auction images. I would bet this is the same seller.
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 Posted 01/12/2012  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
Unholy, I know what you are talking about. I remember that thread and how misleading the coins and pictures were. But these pictures are from in hand. They arrived and I took these pictures with my phone. They represent the actual coins really well.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  12:44 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
The surfaces do not appear to be original. I bought a few re-colored wheaties once as a test and the "coating" came right off with an acetone soak and a q-tip. The coins underneath were XF/AU pieces with normal surfaces for lightly circulated bronze cents.

The images in the OP are very similar to what I purchased.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
So do you think If I throw them in acetone it will let me know if they are original or not?
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 Posted 01/13/2012  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add f16 to your friends list
I don't think that they are original the color is weird they look plated
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 Posted 01/13/2012  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
From the Coin Community Glossary:

whizzing
Term to describe the process of mechanically moving the metal of a lightly circulated coin to simulate luster. Usually accomplished by using a wire brush attachment on a high-speed drill.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
1935S and 1936 - harshlyt, cleaned

1937D - This one looks OK

On the first two I see no indication of cartwheel luster. When photographed you can usually see the "wheel spokes" on a cartwheeling coin. I think I see a couple spokes on the reverse of the last coin.
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Thanks for the info, KenKat. Seems that an operation like that would leave marks.

Maybe they were cleaned with a metal polish such as Maas?
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 Posted 01/13/2012  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
If they're all from the same seller I'd say their all suspect.
I don't think they are with original surfaces, but I agree the 37-d
has the best chance of being OK and is a nice coin. They all have a flat
look to them.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
Tried to image two of them to show cartwheel. Sorry for the blur. I can see it when I tilt them.

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 Posted 01/13/2012  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I can see it now, it could just be the pictures....keep working on your picture taking skills.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mariospaghetti to your friends list
The first pic of the 37-d looks like it has some bubbling around the neck and the back side of his lower head. Not much but it does stand out to me. On the reverse of the one it looks like something that was sprayed on is or has flaked off in the one spot.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
Whizzing doesn't leave marks because it is a rotary or circular method that simulates the circular flow lines that are created during the minting process. That's how you can get the luster effect.

What you do get from whizzing is a metal build up around raised surfaces of the coin.

Whizzed coins can be attractive and I personally find them really difficult to identify although I am trying to learn.

In the picture of the 37-D above, it just makes me suspicious because the details seem a little mushy - like around Lincoln's chin and nose - and there seems to be some kind of shiny ridge running up his back that might be residue from whizzing.

It just looks a little off to me but it could just be the picture or I may be dead wrong about detecting whizzed coins. In fact, I'd say there's probably a pretty good chance I have a couple of whizzed coins in my collection. Like I said, I find it really challenging to detect.
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 Posted 01/13/2012  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
The thing that stands out for me is all the bag marks look softened.

I can replicate this look on a coin by putting them in the tumbler with 9000 grit platinum polish after a quick acid dip. I have done this to restore badly damaged coins stuck in asphalt or blackened from fire.

FYI 9000-12000 grit is roughly a half a micron, you won't be seeing the trace evidence with a loupe.
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