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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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United States
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You got that right, Carl. It would work for me because I would think there is more where that came from.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: As to your problem. Forget ever using coins or Silver or Gold or such item for an investment. Use your spare money to buy a Ferrari and go pick up girls with it.
I only have a Hilux that's probably why I collect coins instead of wimmen   Besides how would you fit a tow bar on a ferrari to launch the boat 
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Valued Member
United States
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I'd stick with with Franklins too. Sure you pay a premium over spot, but you can also ask for a premium when you sell. Also, coins are safer. Someone who sells a fake silver round has a problem with the buyer; someone who sells a fake U.S. coin has a problem with the Dept. of the Treasury.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: someone who sells a fake U.S. coin has a problem with the Dept. of the Treasury. And problems like that are best avoided! I've used a similar tactic on people who may be running a scam. I try to pay them with a US Postal Money Order. Honest folks tend to like these. If they balk at that, it is likely that they are up to something and don't want to get tangled up in a USPO investigation of their activities.
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks everyone for your responses. It has been great help to me. The following is what I ended up with. This of course was spot at 33.77. The total price was 4,750 dollars.
200- Circulated Franklins at 12.50 a coin- .24 over melt 167- Brilliant Uncirculated Franklins at 13.50 a coin- 1.24 over melt
I was able to talk the guy down a dollar on the BU's which made me feel better. I didn't want to go with all BU's as it doesn't really matter to me and I wanted the lowest premium possible with the most Ounces of Silver. I went with both in case some day there is a drastic premium on BU's. Also for the slight chance of a survival situation nobody is going to give me more bread because my coins are BU. They won't care and the premium won't help there.
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Valued Member
United States
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Tony, I would say you did quite well.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes I too would buy Franklins. You did well. I am lucky that I have a local dealer that charges 3percent over spot for junk silver. The rounds are fine but the Franklins are easily recognizable and smaller silver value if things go bad with our fiat $ and silver is used again for currency. Even if that doesn't happen utah has already passed a law on using PM as currency as well as quite a few others are seriously considering doing sO
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Valued Member
United States
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Sounds like you are concerned about the collapse of the dollar. I cannot fault you for thinking that, since we use paper money (or an image of paper money, numbers transmitted to ATMS...think about it, because you know a pin number you buy stuff or get cash from any bank machine!).... So what will be made illegal first? Legal tender coins issued by the US Mint...or Silver Bullion? I am no lawyer or judge, but would have to say Franklins have more numismatic value...since they are not merely one troy oz, (or slightly less than 1/2 oz in the case of Franklins) but are more durable in terms of possible negative socio-political-economic trends...hope that makes sense.....
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Valued Member
United States
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By the way, this reminds me of the guy who paid his employees 20 times less than they were worth...but paid them face value in 90% silver coins...on paper they earned so little their tax bracket was lower since they were earning 1/20th of what they should! So, instead of $40k per year, they were earning $10k per year, right? So, if the gov't invents pesky rules about how much cash you can carry, why not carry silver halfs?
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Valued Member
United States
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It sounds as if you're referring to Robert Kahre, the Las Vegas businessman who paid his employees in gold and silver coins and calculated withholding from the coins' face value. Trying this is not advisable. Mr. Kahre is currently sitting in prison: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/200...re-tax-frau/
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I hadn't about that one. Yes that is not legal. Utah has already passed a law that PMs can be used as $$ as the Constitution says states may do. There are a number of other states in the process to passing similar laws as well. I guess it could get confusing
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New Member
 United States
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Ok all great info. I hope to heck I don't have to use these coins because our dollar crashes. As I said I am looking at this as an investment oppertunity but I also can see our economy going in the tubes. I'm probably 80/20 on this in percentage of what I think may happen. This is money given to me by a great uncle who had no kids and was quite wealthy. He had over 20 different banks and funds in which he had this money because in his day banks were not trusted as he lived through the great depression. Since the day I received his money I told myself he has worked to hard to give this money to me and I dont intend to go blow it. So I invested it and in the time I have I have made nothing on the stock market. I see a chance to turn this money around in the PM market. During Y2K precious metals skyrocketed especially junk silver. Let me ask you guys this. I see the Mayan end of the world prediction of December 21st 2012 as another kind of Y2K. I think because of this PM can rise out of proportion once again. What do you all think will happen with this coming up. Will precious metals rise like they did then or will it not be as bad? I look forward to your replies. Also buying a farrari and chasing women has gotten me knowwhere but broker with nothing lol. At least with PM I have the coins to play with. Of course now that I made this purchase the economy all of a sudden looks great and silver will probably tank.
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Valued Member
United States
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Silver investing is a patient mans game, I gave up chasing girls as well, your uncle was a wise man, if he had a wife you would probably have received nothing.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I hope to heck I don't have to use these coins because our dollar crashes. Most of us hope that will not be the case. On the other hand, if having some silver or gold makes the difference between getting through such a mess and not, then use it, by all means. It's good insurance and to make insurance pay off, you have to collect and spend the proceeds. Quote: Since the day I received his money I told myself he has worked to hard to give this money to me and I dont intend to go blow it. Congrats to you, Tony, for giving this family legacy the respect that it deserves. Yes, money acquired via years of hard work, saving, and investing should be respected and not frittered away.  Quote: So I invested it and in the time I have I have made nothing on the stock market. Investing is one of those things that is like fishing... where the 5-10% who KNOW what they are doing receive 90-95% of the benefits and everyone else gets to supply the money that pays for those benefits. Not saying that you should not invest, only that quite a bit of knowledge is necessary for successful investing. If you are willing to read a lot and learn how, when, and where to invest, then by all means do so. It can pay off rather well. Quote: I see the Mayan end of the world prediction of December 21st 2012 as another kind of Y2K. I think because of this PM can rise out of proportion once again. What do you all think will happen with this coming up. There's been a lot of fanfare about this but it does not seem to have helped the Mayans very much. People have been predicting the end of the world since the times when people had some free time to think about it rather than working about 20 hours a day just to survive. So far at least, all of them have been wrong. The odds seem to be in favor of the world continuing... and if it does not, then we will not be needing any money. Given that, yes, an investment in some silver and / or gold should do well over the coming years. Quote: Of course now that I made this purchase the economy all of a sudden looks great and silver will probably tank. Actually, the economy does not look great. The numbers are being fudged in an election year to make those in power and their policies look better than they are. Both unemployment and inflation are being under-counted to a considerable extent. Both can be multiplied by about 2.5 to 1 to get numbers that are closer to the truth.
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