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February 2012 Torex

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 Posted 02/03/2012  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
We whine and complain about ebay and its sellers on this forum,yet we look forward to an auction conducted by those who allegedly switched coins in ICCS holders and were expelled from the CAND.Most of the coins,when you add the buyers fee,taxes, and shipping have start prices that are well above 70% of trends.The auctioneers estimates for virtually every lot make the ebay dreamers seem competent somehow.Sure,some bargains will be had,but just like ebay "caveat emptor"
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 Posted 02/03/2012  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list

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yet we look forward to an auction conducted by those who allegedly switched coins in ICCS holders and were expelled from the CAND

I have not heard of this. Is there a article or something? I would be interested in reading up on that.
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 Posted 02/03/2012  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EastVanRob to your friends list
Does anyone pay attention to the auctioneer's estimates?
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 Posted 02/03/2012  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list

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The auctioneers estimates for virtually every lot make the ebay dreamers seem competent somehow.


That's a Canadian complement, by the way... lol... all around.

I never checked it out before really. I want to at least see some nice examples of good things. How good is it at that?
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 Posted 02/04/2012  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list
I don't really like online auctions.
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 Posted 02/10/2012  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list
Anyone find that the starting prices for the February Torex seems a bit high?

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Most of the coins,when you add the buyers fee,taxes, and shipping have start prices that are well above 70% of trends
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 Posted 02/10/2012  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ikandiggit to your friends list
Even at the starting prices, if I add up everything I like, I'd need $30,000. Ain't gonna happen.
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 Posted 02/10/2012  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
I find their auctions way too high even to place a first bid!

Most of their auctions sell with only one bid - their own!

Nothing usually sells. Prices are way too high.
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 Posted 02/10/2012  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list
Another point I'd like to add...

Why do they charge a buyers' and sellers' premium?

Think about it.

They own mostly all the coins in their auction.

The true purpose of Buyers and sellers premiums (or fees) are to generate income for the auction house when they are disposing of someone else's property.

But when the auction house owns the coins these fees are similar to 'double dipping'.

What a system!

That's why I say there's really no 'true' auctions out there anymore.
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 Posted 02/10/2012  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
Time to start our own auctions to compete with theirs? Maybe then they'll lower their fees to compete.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
So who's going this year? I'm thinking of going since I missed the last 1-2 Torex bourses. That $6 charge is what keeps me from going - it's one more coin I could have (at the very least). I used to go for silver but this year I'm gonna stick with anything that catches my eye + what I already collect.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list
Libertad, if you promise to come to this year's Torex, I'll not only pay your $6.00 entrance fee, I'll treat you to all you can eat/drink at your favourite watering hole!


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 Posted 02/14/2012  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
DONE! I'll hold you to that, you red-garb-wearing person, you!
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 Posted 02/16/2012  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
Can't really say as I do not follow all that closely anymore - the old Torex Sales managed by Jeffrey Hoare and also having involvement with Warren Baker were fantastic. I agree high estimates and the whole FLAVOR of their catalouge is questionable. However I am from the United States but do have the finest cabinet of Canadian Blacksmith Tokens in the U.S.. So I can speak from experience ... it does seem that the value of these items is usually 50% of the estimates ... Dana Linett of the U.S. also uses this ploy ... print in high estimates to raise hammer values ... just my opinion. I still submit bids ... on occasion.

John Lorenzo
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