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Spanish Cities Under Ferdinand VII - Emergency Issues

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 Posted 08/04/2012  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list
Yes, the Catalonia issues are quite interesting (and some types are quite scarce). I really enjoyed reading about the Mint's movements during the Napoleonic War.

I'll post more pictures in another thread.

OOPS! I see that I've already posted some of my Catalonia coins, at https://goccf.com/t/115319

Also, that I recommended the book by Goig at that time.


Bill
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08/04/2012 11:30 am
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 Posted 04/16/2014  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
Does the 30 Sous every come as Ferdinand VI instead of VII (ie., FRo VI). The FRo in one stamp and the VI in another?

JPL
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 Posted 04/16/2014  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list

Yes John. There is error 30 sous which reads FER VI. I lost out on an example because the auction company "over-looked" my high bid. (They apologized later).

I will need to locate the old auction catalog to see which coin type it was.


Bill
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 Posted 04/16/2014  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
I am aware of the upside down version as in the current Aureo & Calico 4/2014 auction ... I believe I have procured an example ... see if you can find the pedigree ... not listed in KM ...
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 Posted 04/17/2014  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Here it is : Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues

And here is another emergency issue, from Majorca (forgot about that thread) :
Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
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 Posted 04/17/2014  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneditis to your friends list
I like to read the history of my country through coins being collected outside Spain for not spaniards.
Really interesting. Thank you all.
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 Posted 04/17/2014  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
I did the SEM/EDS analysis and its good period silver (~90%) with ~5% Copper. Also the lettering and die break/die fill areas match the regals. Nice collection Matt - mine is comparable - I have all the types but the invert - as you may guess I like CRUDE. I will post a picture tonight. I have tracked another invert - same firm A&C - I believe 3/2012 - from memory. Could be the same piece on a return visit?
The person who sold it to me thought it was a Falsa and it might be ... it was cleaned and with the VI it looked like a fake until the SEM/EDS revealed period silver ... did my usual ... stuck it in a 400*F oven for (3) hours now its not bright white but light golden tan ... bring the Cu to the surface to overide this recent cleaning in a dip solution (no surface hairlines).

JPL
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 Posted 04/17/2014  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list

While looking for that Ferd VI auction listing, I came across this unusual 1809 Tarragona piece, Lot 273), offered in 1996 -



Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues

Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues

Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues



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 Posted 04/17/2014  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
ANother invert - makes you wonder is FER VII inverted or the denomination/year - as in the other piece?

Keep looking for that VI piece. About 6-7 hours from now will post my piece.

JPL
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 Posted 04/17/2014  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list


Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues

Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues

Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
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 Posted 06/13/2014  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Here is a freshly shared Ferdinand VI (missing a I) 30 sous from Majorca - from the place where I'm admin at.
That one is particularly clear, but as all those strange variants (particularly on this type which can be easily modified) ... I would check it closely.
What's your opinion ?

http://www.numismaticageneral.com/t...individuales
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06/14/2014 03:20 am
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 Posted 06/13/2014  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list

Looks good. Almost too good.

I too am interested in opinions.



Bill
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 Posted 06/14/2014  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Here is mine of the same type, without the error :
Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
Spanish-Cities-Under-Ferdinand-VII---Emergency-Issues
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 Posted 06/14/2014  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list
Very nice!
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 Posted 06/16/2014  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
Having purchased a couple of FALSA 1821 30 Sous the dies (ON SOME) are IDENTICAL to the regal issue in my collection. Pay attention to the die break in the bottom of the second quadrant (top right) and the overall tree shapes (top right and bottom left). On some FALSAS the tree shape in the lower left quadrant is like a starbust and on others is IDENTICAL to the regal issue with the two hanging fruit - same shaped trees and die breaks - low periods of silver inventory creating silvered brass or bronze? Just wondering ... are all FALSAS ... FALSAS? Maybe not ...

JPL
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06/16/2014 12:09 pm
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