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 Posted 03/23/2012  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add backatit to your friends list
Also the ER and A in America are intersteing ...
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 Posted 03/23/2012  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list


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 Posted 03/23/2012  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
Is it me or does the top part of his hair/head seem flat? (Flathead Abe?).

How come I never find things like this - I am so jealous right now!
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 Posted 03/23/2012  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add backatit to your friends list
Cant be a 4 as its a memorial reverse. The line deffinately looks like a 6
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 Posted 03/23/2012  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add backatit to your friends list
The cameo seems very week for an old coin. it does appear that his head is flat. Thats one reason I tossed it back into the buscket, I though it had been sanded/rubbed/filled down.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
The head is also weak from being struck with an obstructed die. The 1959D has a large delamination peel.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add backatit to your friends list
I just re-read the thread. Who or what is copper coins that everyone was waiting for them to comment of this coin?
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 Posted 03/23/2012  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list
Copper Coins said it best himself a few days ago in another thread:



I (Charles Daughtrey) am a three-time published author, article writer, and member of the Numismatic Literary Guild, in which only about 250 of the top numismatic writers in the world are a member. I am the owner, photographer, and author of coppercoins.com, the world's premier website for Lincoln Cent die variety information. Two grading services forward coins to me for my expert analysis from time to time and use the cataloging system I invented for attributing die varieties. Hundreds of collectors use that same system that I invented. I wrote the foreword in a book about Lincoln cents authored by Q. David Bowers, who in his lifetime has written more numismatic books than anyone in history by a country mile. I am one of the top experts in the country on the Lincoln Cent and its history. I have viewed, attributed, collected, and/or photographed well over a million Lincoln cents worth anywhere from one cent to $150,000. What I say about Lincoln cents is precisely on the mark 99% of the time.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grizzlybear706 to your friends list
it looks like a 1993. just by look
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 Posted 03/23/2012  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
captainkurt; Thanks for the quote. Mr.Daughtrey's web site http://www.coppercoins.com/ is a must have reference for anyone interested in Lincoln Cent varieties.
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 Posted 03/23/2012  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
Indeed, just to corroborate what has been said (as when someone calls themself an expert in anything you should be skeptical) Charles *is* an expert on Lincoln Cents. One of the finest.

I'll be damned if I see that 1% of the time he says he's off the mark. :-)
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 Posted 03/23/2012  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list

Quote:
I'll be damned if I see that 1% of the time he says he's off the mark. :-)

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 Posted 03/24/2012  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
I appreciate the comments made above regarding my own expertise, however a number of people already had this one right as to its cause - it's a Grease Filled Die. This is probably on the upper side of extremity, and would probably command a premium of a couple of dollars.

Guessing the year, however, has been all over the board. With regard to the design style and the rather obvious markers for it being a zinc cent, I'm surprised to see guesses anywhere from 194? through 199?. I can help round that down a bit.

First, the profile of Lincoln used on this coin immediately rounds it down to the 1990s. The detail in the beard, the outline of the face, and the detail in the bow tie ALL point directly to the style ONLY used from 1993-1996. The bow tie especially gives this one away as being one of those four years - the left side of the tie (the part sticking out into the field) has a straight bottom. This particular bow tie shape is ONLY found on 1993-1996 cents. As for rounding it down any further, you would need a crystal ball, and mine broke.

I can say, however, that Grease Filled Die coins of this severity tend to be more common on 1993 cents than any other of the aforementioned four year period in which this obverse style was employed. It could be a 1993 cent, but I wouldn't bet on it - chances are best for this date, however.

Another thing that will help round down the date is the reverse of the coin. Dime to a doughnut hole this coin has the close-AM reverse which would help corroborate my attribution.
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 Posted 03/24/2012  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rob213 to your friends list
It's a grease-filled die. You can barely see the outlines of the date.
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 Posted 03/26/2012  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add backatit to your friends list
Thank you Coppercoins (I had no idea we were in the presence of numismatics Royalty) and everyone else who helped out. With this find and the 1959-D delamination that I posted it has been a very fun entrance into the hobby for my daughter and I. We look forward to more find and posts...!
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