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Because God forbid they dont conform to what we think is the proper way to go about this hobby. He is not conforming with Ebay's rules. There is more than a slight difference. |
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Feel sorry for the person that paid 82.75 for this. Ah well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. =]
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Here is my link and I offer returns if not 100% satisfied and put "ARTIFICIALLY TONED" in caps, so I don't think I will be heading to see this guy here  anytime soon over this listing, lol.... And if you bought it now, after pay-pal an shipping I may LOSE money  lol. I could care less at this point  as I would just turn the money from those two into a nice slabbed natural toned version an proceed to banana dance....  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...160772660329Edited by Silverhawk74
03/30/2012 7:36 pm
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"My point being that these coins are no different in my mind than a lab grown emerald or diamond. That emerald has the exact same chemical composition as one from the ground, Be3Al2(SiO3)6. It is still beryllium aluminum cyclosilicate. It is no less an emerald than one mined from the ground. Those coins exhibit toning that happens all on its own, just in this case they were lab toned."
Strong point there, but I would compare it to taking a nice old gun that had WRONGLY been cleaned like an old colt you would see on Pawn stars, and as the expert says...."Take that thing back out in your back yard an re-burry it for a few years.", lol. Why, cause it needs that patina, patina sells. Patina screams old. If you are trying to determine if a high dollar piece of old currency or an old signed document of significance is authentic, you know if the ink is brown you are good, but if it is still blue or black, its a fraud fake.....
Us as humans are simply INTERFERING and SPEEDING up that process in the end, even though often it does not form in an ATTRACTIVE fashion, be it naturally toned or AT. And other times it forms in magnificent way (sometimes AT even) which is like an artistic piece made by God or nature the way I see it.....
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03/30/2012 8:00 pm
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United States
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I noticed tonight the seller that has been discussed in this thread, has listed some more Morgans. Now AT has been removed from the headline of the item for sale. However, AT is mentioned in the item description now with an asterisk. At the bottom of the page it explains that AT means artificial toning.
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United States
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At the bottom of the page it explains that AT means artificial toning. Maybe he saw this thread, and changed it before he got reported. |
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United States
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Sometimes I just like to say "Schnauzer!", always love seeing when you post that pic I love. I am a dog guy anyway always have been....
I gotta start posting else where then just the PM section, as I really like this US old coin forum....
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Canada
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A lot of Morgan dollars sat in canvas bags for many years. When one side of the coin touched the canvas it often became beautifully toned. Are these coins artificially toned as well? If I took a bunch of Morgans and toned them the same way would I be artificially toning them? What is the difference between what this guy is doing and what the canvas bag is doing? |
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United States
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I'd venture to guess that the canvas-bag-produced toning took months to develop, and the coloration acquired will vary in intensity across the coin, is sometimes non-existent in some spots. AT is instant, and can be made, uniformly on the entire coin, in a matter of minutes.
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My district manager at the coin store where I work said they have been doing this for some time, and there is a chemical you cna buy an paint right on them, like mentioned above instant toning....
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Peter, in effect, no difference, hence my point. The exact same end result due to the sulphur and other chemicals in the canvas.
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that is just proof that PT Barnum was correct.
Artificially/purposefully toned coins are for a different market. We've come full circle: Purposefully Toned Barnum |
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Still lost on LCS Localorie Coin Shoppe. |
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My point being that these coins are no different in my mind than a lab grown emerald or diamond. That emerald has the exact same chemical composition as one from the ground, Be3Al2(SiO3)6. It is still beryllium aluminum cyclosilicate. It is no less an emerald than one mined from the ground. Those coins exhibit toning that happens all on its own, just in this case they were lab toned I can even see the argument that a created emerald is superior, because crystals are grown under controlled conditions. In the wild, the stone is beryllium aluminum cyclosilicate + whatever crud slipped into the mixture while it was being made. |
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I'd venture to guess that the canvas-bag-produced toning took months to develop, and the coloration acquired will vary in intensity across the coin, is sometimes non-existent in some spots. AT is instant, and can be made, uniformly on the entire coin, in a matter of minutes. Since we have no way of telling what happened to a coin after it left the die, we grade based on evidence of circulation. No evidence, it's MS. With toning, we need an agreed definition that doesn't require knowing the coin's history, just what can be observed today. If a Morgan tones from decades in contact with a canvas bag, that's NT. If I get the same appearance by putting a similar coin in the same bag, store it in a 110°F room with a few ppm of sulfur in the air, the difference is how long it took, but you can't determine that by looking at the coin. Then there's a similar coin painted and heated. Obviously AT if you know it was done, but can you tell that solely by examining the coin? |
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